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To think that men get a ridiculously bad rap on this site?

306 replies

MsLuxLisbon · 17/05/2024 09:13

It is really depressing to read post after post after post knocking men, saying how awful and useless they are, saying they are mostly lazy, selfish sex pests, etc. That has not only not been my experience, but it hasn't been ANY of my friends' or family's, either. The odd bad man, sure, just as my male friends have dated bad women. But not enough to justify this bizarre generalisation.

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divinededacende · 17/05/2024 11:48

5128gap · 17/05/2024 11:26

Thanks for posting that. As when any man posts agreeing that there is a problem with male behaviour and saying he takes no offence when that is discussed on MN, I will sit and wait for the tumble weed to blow past, as all the vehement defenders of men ignore your inconvenient failure to agree with them.

Thank you. Although I should say that I can't speak for all men. I would hope that more men are closer to my thinking as the generations shift but it's hard to shake ingrained habits 1000's of years in the making.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 17/05/2024 11:45

CountingCrones · 17/05/2024 11:40

NAMALT, feminazis… that internalised misogyny is quite something.

I’m sure the OP is basking in the satisfied glow of being Not Like Other Girls as she dismisses other women’s experiences and “gently” suggests they look to themselves for reasons the men in their lives abuse them.

I was going to post similar.

The Internalised misogyny is absolutely screaming from the rooftops in each of the OPs posts.

I almost can't quite believe it's for real.

Lilianna55 · 17/05/2024 11:45

Catsmere · 17/05/2024 09:24

Try reading the Relationships board. The men being spoken about are foul. No bad rap there, this is women's first-hand experiences.

Yes but I’m sure if men had a board where they could talk about awful wives im sure there’d be plenty. I think in general there’s a good mix?

MsLuxLisbon · 17/05/2024 11:41

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/05/2024 11:39

Except no one has said ALL men are bad, so no such brigade exists.

Why hang around such a place anyway?

Because some posters are actually sensible.

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Abhannmor · 17/05/2024 11:40

Rickrolypoly · 17/05/2024 09:29

I think there is a HUGE double standard applied to men on this site by a lot of posters. Men are never afforded the same consideration for the emotions as women. I've read posts on here from mothers who admit to screaming at their kids in fits of rage and punching chairs etc and the feedback is "oh you poor pet you must be so overwhelmed, go easy on yourself lovie" and the someone will post and say that their DP shouted at their child and it's "LTB, CHILD ABUSE"
The attitude to SAHD's is disgusting- including from their own partners.

The partner who stays at home always seems to get the shitty end of the stick eventually? It's just ingrained in both sexes that if you make £££ you're the boss. Not sure what the answer is short of a revolution.

CountingCrones · 17/05/2024 11:40

NAMALT, feminazis… that internalised misogyny is quite something.

I’m sure the OP is basking in the satisfied glow of being Not Like Other Girls as she dismisses other women’s experiences and “gently” suggests they look to themselves for reasons the men in their lives abuse them.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/05/2024 11:39

Except no one has said ALL men are bad, so no such brigade exists.

Why hang around such a place anyway?

MsLuxLisbon · 17/05/2024 11:36

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Thank you. You speak sense. I don't want to imagine what it would be like to meet the 'all men are bad' brigade IRL. They don't sound like a good time.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/05/2024 11:35

EmilyTjP · 17/05/2024 11:34

… and if you do hold this opinion OP you must be a man yourself 🙄

Nah, just a little bit naive.

EmilyTjP · 17/05/2024 11:34

… and if you do hold this opinion OP you must be a man yourself 🙄

EmilyTjP · 17/05/2024 11:33

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Dweetfidilove · 17/05/2024 11:33

YABU!

I know and love many good men - my dad, friends, uncles, cousins, nephews, teachers… Hell, I even consider my ex a good man.

That being said, I also know some real assholes, who shouldn’t even get a second glance from another human being. These are generally the ones written about on MN, so naturally, people will call them what their behaviours evidence.
Unless you want us to deny the experiences of those who post here or suffer at the hands of awful men, because this is not our experience.

Statistics also show that most abhorrent things happening in society are perpetrated by men, so there is that too.

GordonBlue · 17/05/2024 11:30

You tell em OP.

Women need to consider men more. Poor loves.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 17/05/2024 11:29

Apologies feminazis

Which I believe are way worse than actual Nazis apparently

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 17/05/2024 11:28

The OP has commited the ultimate MN sin of disagreeing with other women on the subjrct of men; that's not allowed, so she some posters act as judge and jury and find her guilty of 'tearing other women down,'

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Have you read all the OPs?

She has called us all screeching nazis

Implied that women who are badly treated should have made better decisions

Said "My favourite is when people say 'if women ran the world, there'd be peace'. Lol."

Implied women posting about bad experiences will somehow voodoo every other woman into thinking they too live with an abuser,

Responded to a poster saying MN is very helpful to women with "If you need an internet site to not 'tolerate crap' I don't know what to tell you!"

She certainly in training to tear women down.

Although I 100% agree that other women are not her sisters

Brefugee · 17/05/2024 11:27

SpringerFall · 17/05/2024 11:23

You mean the one side we hear from?

yes, this is a predominently female board posted on by women with other women joining the conversation.

If you want to see the men's side - I'm sure some enterprising bloke set up Dadsnet where the male parent/partner point of view is represented.

5128gap · 17/05/2024 11:26

divinededacende · 17/05/2024 11:17

Man here (brace yourselves)...

Nah, in all seriousness, I'm actually inclined to disagree. This is a forum populated mostly by women who come looking for advice or to share their experiences. It's inevitable that a lot of those situations are going to involve men and the nature of the forum means you're going to hear about the absolute worst of mankind. That's cool. Not all men are bastards but many are and "not all men" doesn't mean much to someone who's life is potentially being ruined by one. A lot of women are going to identify with those posts and share their own, similar experiences. I don't think that makes the forum inherently biased against men. If you go to any forum where people come together in tribes/communities, whether it's women, men, LGBTQ+, vegan; you're always going to see some people speaking through bias when someone comes asking for advice or perspective.

My biggest problem comes from the fact that so many of the posts on here (and on the internet in general) lack a lot of detail with so much missing context. A lot of responses will dig deeper and try to get to get to the heart of it but there are plenty of people who are happy to take the cliff notes, filter it through that bias of "well it's a man, so..." and then come confidently in with absolute conjecture that the OP is supposed to take as the basis for potentially huge life decisions. I don't think that's always healthy. On the other hand, it goes back to my first point that this isn't unique to Mumsnet. Seeking advice online in general can expose you to helpful perspectives beyond your own real life bubble but it's a double edged sword.

Thanks for posting that. As when any man posts agreeing that there is a problem with male behaviour and saying he takes no offence when that is discussed on MN, I will sit and wait for the tumble weed to blow past, as all the vehement defenders of men ignore your inconvenient failure to agree with them.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/05/2024 11:24

You mean the one side we hear from?

On a predominantly female board, correct. I'm sure there are men's boards on the internet where they post 'their side'. Maybe some of the posters on here can go and cheerlead over there?

SpringerFall · 17/05/2024 11:23

Catsmere · 17/05/2024 09:24

Try reading the Relationships board. The men being spoken about are foul. No bad rap there, this is women's first-hand experiences.

You mean the one side we hear from?

MsLuxLisbon · 17/05/2024 11:21

FOJN · 17/05/2024 11:11

Apologies,the AT bullshit was on yet another thread about poor men.

Perhaps you could have some sympathy for the women who have experienced nothing but awful men and be glad that hadn't been your experience. Do you expect them to keep quiet about their experiences because you don't like it? Or do you think women expect too much by asking to be treated as fully human?

I can't find the post where someone said you deserve to have your husband cheat on you.

If someone has experienced 'nothing but' awful men, I would gently ask them to ask themselves why that might be. There is likely something in their past that lead that to happen. What I would NOT say is that so many men are bad that the women who get good ones are somehow statistical anomalies. How is that a kind or helpful thing to say?

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MattDamon · 17/05/2024 11:19

Disturbia81 · 17/05/2024 10:58

Recently I've noticed men on here gaslighting me or trying to shut down my opinion, it's getting more common on here. It feels wrong as this is a safe place for women

I've noticed this, too. Hopefully something @MNHQ is monitoring.

divinededacende · 17/05/2024 11:17

Man here (brace yourselves)...

Nah, in all seriousness, I'm actually inclined to disagree. This is a forum populated mostly by women who come looking for advice or to share their experiences. It's inevitable that a lot of those situations are going to involve men and the nature of the forum means you're going to hear about the absolute worst of mankind. That's cool. Not all men are bastards but many are and "not all men" doesn't mean much to someone who's life is potentially being ruined by one. A lot of women are going to identify with those posts and share their own, similar experiences. I don't think that makes the forum inherently biased against men. If you go to any forum where people come together in tribes/communities, whether it's women, men, LGBTQ+, vegan; you're always going to see some people speaking through bias when someone comes asking for advice or perspective.

My biggest problem comes from the fact that so many of the posts on here (and on the internet in general) lack a lot of detail with so much missing context. A lot of responses will dig deeper and try to get to get to the heart of it but there are plenty of people who are happy to take the cliff notes, filter it through that bias of "well it's a man, so..." and then come confidently in with absolute conjecture that the OP is supposed to take as the basis for potentially huge life decisions. I don't think that's always healthy. On the other hand, it goes back to my first point that this isn't unique to Mumsnet. Seeking advice online in general can expose you to helpful perspectives beyond your own real life bubble but it's a double edged sword.

Beefcurtains79 · 17/05/2024 11:15

No one said that. They said they hope it never happens to her.
What was your post that managed to get itself deleted OP?

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 17/05/2024 11:15

MsLuxLisbon · 17/05/2024 09:13

It is really depressing to read post after post after post knocking men, saying how awful and useless they are, saying they are mostly lazy, selfish sex pests, etc. That has not only not been my experience, but it hasn't been ANY of my friends' or family's, either. The odd bad man, sure, just as my male friends have dated bad women. But not enough to justify this bizarre generalisation.

Well at least you've answered Bonnie's (Tyler) question: "Where have all the good men gone?"

Seemingly, they're all in your front room 😬

FOJN · 17/05/2024 11:11

MsLuxLisbon · 17/05/2024 10:55

Where did I say anything about Andrew Tate or incels? I'm not blaming women for them at all, I am saying that the women on here who rush onto threads about toxic men saying that all men are toxic and that there are no good ones are being awful and actually unkind to other women. Just on here, someone said that I deserved to have my husband cheat on me just because I have a good husband! This is bitter, nasty behaviour and actually not dissimilar to that of incels!

Apologies,the AT bullshit was on yet another thread about poor men.

Perhaps you could have some sympathy for the women who have experienced nothing but awful men and be glad that hadn't been your experience. Do you expect them to keep quiet about their experiences because you don't like it? Or do you think women expect too much by asking to be treated as fully human?

I can't find the post where someone said you deserve to have your husband cheat on you.