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To think Universal Credit are a bunch of cunts

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StarbucksStraw · 16/05/2024 21:28

I work full time but also claim Universal Credit.

They have awarded me £0 this month because two of my wages have fallen within one assessment period therefore to them, it looks like I have earned twice as much.

This happens several times a year because of how my wages are paid, each time I have to raise a dispute, they then "move" one lot of wages to a different assessment period and adjust my statement and pay me the outstanding amount. This is usually sorted within a few days but sometimes takes longer.

This time my payment is nearly three weeks overdue. I have no money left, all of my wages have been spent on rent, direct debits etc. Every time I ask them for an update I get fuck all.

How can they leave someone in this situation? They told me to ask the local authority for help but I've had no luck.

They already have the information from HMRC/ my employer showing when I was paid and how much. What the actual fuck do the expect people to do? I can't run my car to get to work on fresh air and I doubt my son wants to live off whatever stale shite is left in the cupboard for the next fuck knows how long.

I don't know what I'm hoping for from this post... anyone else had success in getting them to hurry up?

OP posts:
shwarma · 17/05/2024 06:46

The system is absolutely shite. I’m a self employed single parent on UC. Hope you get it sorted soon OP, it’s so stressful.

IamfeelingSad · 17/05/2024 06:45

I can imagine it’s frustrating for you but I think you are projecting your anger in the wrong directions.

You are expecting a massive government organisation like UC to be sensitive to your pay periods - when in reality it would make more sense for your much smaller employer who should be caring about your needs to delay your April pay so it fits in with UC.

I think people also forget that UC payments exist because others work to pay taxes to go to UC to top up UC recipients income.

You are a single mother who is making the effort to work and be topped up by UC rather than choose the easy option of living entirely on UC - quite frankly you should be admired. But you are being rude and venting at posters so you’re giving out anger and getting it back.

I think the question for you to ask posters to help with is does anyone have any experience in getting their employer to pay in a schedule that does not affect UC payments. Sort your employer - curb your anger at strangers and let them help you because your situation deserves sympathy but you won’t get it if you continue with your sharp tongue.

StarbucksStraw · 17/05/2024 06:41

WithACatLikeTread · 17/05/2024 06:25

It sounds like your employer is at fault.

We haven't had too many issues with UC. The main one was moving the date my husband was paid so it looked like he hadn't been paid at all that month so we received a very large amount and then the next month he had two wages in that assessment period and we got nothing. Just had to put the extra we received aside. Aside from that it has been fine for us.

You can choose your dates. It is recommended not to apply close to the date you get paid.

Edited

My employer has reported everything properly - the problem is that Universal Credit have accounted for two separate wages, paid a month apart, in the same assessment period - so essentially they are saying I have earned double - I wish!

I haven't received any extra in previous months to put aside.

I first claimed UC years ago, I didn't "choose" my dates, I claimed right away because I had to. It has only been a problem since I changed jobs from one that paid calendar monthly to one that pays on different dates each month.

OP posts:
WithACatLikeTread · 17/05/2024 06:40

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:53

You are right in that many people are on the breadline and have no spare cash to save.

However, there are also many people who have no idea how to manage money and budget and would buy new clothes, or cigarettes and then say they have no money.

Unfortunately, there are many people who abuse the welfare system. It’s should be there to support the few not the many

Many of us can budget, can save a little. Maybe I should spend it on a night out, a holiday?

Frequency · 17/05/2024 06:29

BeaRF75 · 16/05/2024 21:47

The UC staff are correct, because of the way your wages are paid. You are fortunate to be able to claim benefits, on top of working, so why not just average out the money and keep some back to cover the times of shortfall? Or get a new job that pays better, so you won't have to claim UC at all.......

I would love it if everyone did this (it's not actually possible but it would be great if it were).

I wonder how long the average middle-class MNetter would still think it was a good idea for everyone to get a better job once there were no childminders, nurses, care workers, teaching assistants, cleaners, hairdressers, retail staff, etc left?

WithACatLikeTread · 17/05/2024 06:29

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:55

But people can work hard stacking shelves and take extra shifts, show hard work and commitment, and then get promoted and earn more. This can take years, but people can progress. People do have to take some responsibility

Edited

What if it just a minimum wage, zero hour contracts? Sometimes I wonder if it is worth working extra to see you get less UC. I am tempted actually at the minute not to work extra and spend time with my kids instead. 🤷

WithACatLikeTread · 17/05/2024 06:25

It sounds like your employer is at fault.

We haven't had too many issues with UC. The main one was moving the date my husband was paid so it looked like he hadn't been paid at all that month so we received a very large amount and then the next month he had two wages in that assessment period and we got nothing. Just had to put the extra we received aside. Aside from that it has been fine for us.

You can choose your dates. It is recommended not to apply close to the date you get paid.

WithACatLikeTread · 17/05/2024 06:22

VeryHappyBunny · 17/05/2024 01:28

People shouldn't judge anyone until they have walked a mile in someone else's shoes.

My UC has been a cock-up from the word go. I had been my Mum's carer and got CA and IS, but after she died I had to claim UC. At the time I didn't have access to the internet so it was a telephone claim. So far so good. First payment received, then I got a letter from local council saying that as I was no longer in receipt of qualifying benefit my council tax benefit was being stopped. I rang UC who told me that because I had not attended a meeting in town they had cancelled by benefit. I didn't know about the meeting, they said it was on my journal - I said it was a telephone claim and I don't have a journal, they then said they left a message on my mobile, I asked them what my mobile number is and they didn't know because they didn't have it. They then said they left a message on landline answer phone, but I know that they didn't because the phone was in the lounge and I checked any messages 2 or 3 times a day and there wasn't one from them.

I therefore didn't have any money so they paid me a loan (which months later they didn't know if I had repaid or not)! They were so long in reactivating the claim they said it would be better if I made a new claim. This I did, but it meant that at the qualifying dates for the cost of living payments I was not in receipt of UC so I lost out on that.

Because of problems relating to my Mum's death my own health had deteriorated and I ended up in hospital. There were at least 6 different ways I should have died including sepsis, pneumonia, blood clots, several TIAs and major problems with both legs leading to the plastic surgeons telling me that the right leg would be amputated and possibly the left (happily I still have both, but ironically if they had been taken off I wouldn't have been bed bound for as long as I was). Unable to sit up, never mind stand and walk, I was transferred to a care home (against my will) and paid for a private physio once a week as the NHS physio was so long in happening and when it did couldn't promise weekly sessions.

I can now walk unaided on the flat, struggle with stairs, have nerve damage in both arms meaning I can't lift right arm, get out of breath just getting dressed, can't stand for more than 5 mins as pains in both legs and have to keep them up for a lot of the time because of swelling.

Had a work capability assessment and guess what? I am capable of work!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it wasn't so serious it would be fucking hilarious. The lead clinical nurse at the care home nearly wet himself when I told him, he couldn't believe it.

If I was an employer and I turned up for an interview, even I wouldn't employ me.

The GP had just given me a new sick (fit) note till mid July and I don't think they write those out just for fun.

New benefits take years to sort out, are badly funded, staffed with people who don't know what they are doing and just when the problems are ironed out are scrapped and replaced by another, so back to square one. I know, I worked for BA in early 90s when DLA was introduced. Dis-organised chaos is the polite term, total shitshow is how it was. The powers that be couldn't understand why so many people were applying for DLA and so few for DWA (the little known disability WORKING allowance). Probably because they are DISABLED and cannot work.

So I feel your pain, but I also feel sorry for the call centre staff who take the brunt of the calls and are generally not qualified to deal with the problem which is why you get different answers each time you ask the same question.

There are rumours that UC may be scrapped and replaced with something else. God help us, I'm just glad that I'm in my 60s so have fewer years left to put up with all this shit, I would hate to be in my 20s these days, at least we had decent music in the 80s.

If Putin has his way we'll all be nuked by Christmas and all our problems will be over. I find its always best to look on the bright side eh!

I doubt it will be scrapped.

StarbucksStraw · 17/05/2024 06:21

@SpidersAreShitheads and @VeryHappyBunny

I'm so sorry you've both been in such difficult circumstances- not helped by a system thay just seems designed to hinder you even further when things are already so tough. I hope things gave got easier for you both recently.

I just checked online and if I close my claim then re-claim within six months, my assessment period will stay the same.

I will try my MP but I wrote to them before and they weren't very helpful (Conservative).

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yogpot · 17/05/2024 05:51

Seems like exactly the right word for them to me.

HollyBerri · 17/05/2024 04:54

OP - contact your MP immediately. Easy to do.
i was working with someone, no money for almost 3 months. I was chasing it almost daily. We contacted her MP who was very helpful and it was suddenly sorted in a few days.
i agree its the shit system but it in my situation it was also made much worse by incompetent, rude staff, everyone passing the buck and not being able to speak to someone who would take responsibility and see it through.
The only way of contact is to leave a message in your journal and then if they reply no updates your are screwed!

Lovinglife57 · 17/05/2024 04:48

EnglishBluebell · 16/05/2024 22:55

@Lovinglife57 Why do you keep calling everyone sweetie? Is that meant to be patronising or something?

Errrr no hope that clears it up for you

HelenaWaiting · 17/05/2024 04:45

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:55

But people can work hard stacking shelves and take extra shifts, show hard work and commitment, and then get promoted and earn more. This can take years, but people can progress. People do have to take some responsibility

Edited

Exactly how much money are you expecting those extra shifts to pay? If, and it's a big if, they are available, by the time she's paid the additional childcare costs and lost her benefits because of the extra money she's earning, she'll probably be worse off.

PoppyCherryDog · 17/05/2024 04:32

PassingStranger · 16/05/2024 21:36

What a vile heading . There are better ways to say things honestly.

This. I have no sympathy for you. You sound awful…

sunnydaysanddaydreams · 17/05/2024 03:59

@HonorGold absolutely stereotypical response that benefit claimants need to be watched because lots of them are probably spending money on cigarettes and clothes.

I completely disagree with your view that it should be "for the few not the many" you're actually more right wing than the current government!

UC should be for who needs it, if a person meets the criteria you should get it, it should not be a race to impoverish more and more.

And also your comment on clothes is ridiculous of course people need new clothes, if only for new jobs or that we don't generally want people waking round naked

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:55

HelenaWaiting · 17/05/2024 03:52

You do realise that everybody can't get a new job that pays better, right?

But people can work hard stacking shelves and take extra shifts, show hard work and commitment, and then get promoted and earn more. This can take years, but people can progress. People do have to take some responsibility

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:53

sunnydaysanddaydreams · 17/05/2024 03:46

Absolutely ridiculous.

A proper society of course provides support to lower income families

How are they supposed to save money back if they're earning so little they have to be topped up with benefits?

Also beyond ignorant to say that people should just get a better paying job. It's not that easy and society would be stuffed if everyone just did that, a lot of jobs society relies on are low paid

You are right in that many people are on the breadline and have no spare cash to save.

However, there are also many people who have no idea how to manage money and budget and would buy new clothes, or cigarettes and then say they have no money.

Unfortunately, there are many people who abuse the welfare system. It’s should be there to support the few not the many

HelenaWaiting · 17/05/2024 03:52

BeaRF75 · 16/05/2024 21:47

The UC staff are correct, because of the way your wages are paid. You are fortunate to be able to claim benefits, on top of working, so why not just average out the money and keep some back to cover the times of shortfall? Or get a new job that pays better, so you won't have to claim UC at all.......

You do realise that everybody can't get a new job that pays better, right?

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:49

LieutOliviaBenson · 16/05/2024 23:55

What a spiteful, fucking condescending and privileged response! Not all of us have mummy and daddy to fund our lifestyles dear.

Did the PP hit a nerve? Just because some people make different choices doesn’t automatically mean wealthy parents funding lifestyle choices. I had to have a hardship fund at Uni. I made sure to get good qualifications and now earn well,

sunnydaysanddaydreams · 17/05/2024 03:46

BeaRF75 · 16/05/2024 21:47

The UC staff are correct, because of the way your wages are paid. You are fortunate to be able to claim benefits, on top of working, so why not just average out the money and keep some back to cover the times of shortfall? Or get a new job that pays better, so you won't have to claim UC at all.......

Absolutely ridiculous.

A proper society of course provides support to lower income families

How are they supposed to save money back if they're earning so little they have to be topped up with benefits?

Also beyond ignorant to say that people should just get a better paying job. It's not that easy and society would be stuffed if everyone just did that, a lot of jobs society relies on are low paid

HonorGold · 17/05/2024 03:45

BCBird · 16/05/2024 21:46

Employers should not be allowed to pay a wage that people cannot live on. Tax payers money should not be used to bolster corporations' profits

Edited

This.

and if they’re such “cunts”, why don’t you hand back the money they’ve already given you?

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 17/05/2024 03:37

“The powers that be couldn't understand why so many people were applying for DLA and so few for DWA (the little known disability WORKING allowance). Probably because they are DISABLED and cannot work.”

Qualifying for DLA doesn’t mean someone is too sick to work.

AllSuggestionsTaken · 17/05/2024 03:33

I’m really sorry if this isn’t helpful as I’m not sure how UC works. It’s been mentioned that you could possibly change the UC payment date, but that you would then have to deal with a gap whilst that was sorted.

Could you explain the problem to your employer and ask them for an advance whilst the date was changed?

SpidersAreShitheads · 17/05/2024 03:11

A fair chunk of MN won't ever accept any criticism of benefit payments because they think people should be grateful for whatever crumbs they're thrown.

But you're not wrong OP. The UC system is shit.

It's not just "the rules" that they have to apply. They twist rules in a completely nonsensical way that no sane person would ever do. The decisions they issue often make no logical sense and are nothing to do with "the rules".

I have two disabled DC, one with high care needs. 14 years old and still in nappies. I also have a DM who has cerebral palsy and is a wheelchair user. I'm a carer for all three. I'm also self-employed now - it's the only way I can work and still fulfil my caring needs. It's why I'm still up and awake at 3am - it's how I manage to work.

I can't get Carer's Allowance because I earn more than £151 per week. No point anyway because the entire amount of Carer's Allowance would be deducted from my UC so I'd be no better off.

Because clients are also cunts, I'm regularly paid late. This often means that multiple invoices are paid within one accounting period for UC so I have my benefits reduced. But the previous month where I got paid fuck all from clients because they hadn't paid me? I don't get more UC. So that means overall I get the same amount of income from clients, but less in benefits from UC than I'd be entitled to if people paid me on time.

Over the course of a year, self-employed people typically get less in benefits compared to an employed person on the same money. And that's just because our income is variable each month and UC can't cope with it.

It's a stupid shitty system which feels deliberately difficult. And best of luck if you want to talk to an actual human who can write in coherent sentences and actually try and help with anything. The decisions are bizarre, the delays are extensive, and nothing ever, ever goes in your favour. Relying on UC is a horrible way to live.

Sympathies OP.

Notaflippinclue · 17/05/2024 02:27

Trouble is half the country want UC - other half don't know what it is and don't want to pay for it

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