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Widows vs Single mums and divorcees

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IfIGoTiAnotherWedding · 16/05/2024 19:32

I am a divorced mother of 3. My ex husband was financially abusive and emotionally absent: when we split my sons were 4, 2.5 and 4 months respectively. He moved back to his home country U.S,A and has never seen the children since or sent a penny. Obviously it was hard. And still is.

I know a few widows. Some were friends of mine before they lost their husbands, some are new friends as we move in the same circles and have things in common, mainly solo parenting obviously. Like them, I have my children 24-7-365. In fact some of them have better family support (from two sides of their family), all happen to be in a better financial situation (whereas my ex left me with significant debts), but obviously they have gone through trauma and the death of their loved one, where I have not. I give them full credit for keeping going. It’s very lonely.

They never planned to be alone.
They never chose it.
I have utmost sympathy for both my widowed acquaintances, and for their children.

My AIBU is is it ok that there is SUCH a difference in how society approaches us. I have never received any offers of help or money. Obviously. My own parents are talking about offering a young widow who lives locally a few hours childcare once a week so that she can go to the cinema and have a break.

This was not something offered to me. I am listening to this thinking eh? They hardly know this person. I also am not sure if this widow would want such charity. She certainly wouldn’t if she knew that the sympathy is very much dependent on the term widowhood and not single mum.

Friend in question has already a rota of helpers.

Fundraisers, paid holidays - I don’t want them, I don’t begrudge my friends this.

I am just struck by the contrast between the “worthy” solo mums (widows) and the rest of us (unworthy) - Ditto for the children. This is not internalised stigma, the net difference is impossible to ignore.

My widowed friends are lovely people, they are devastated about losing their husbands and have no idea that there is this disparity in treatment.

The disparity feels like a throwback to more religious times and is akin to worthy poor versus unworthy poor. Anyway it sucks to be in the second category.

OP posts:
Leafalotta · 16/05/2024 19:55

I was widowed when my dd was 2 and I don't recognise your description of support networks. I've none of my own family locally and my in laws haven't stepped up at all. I haven't had any offers from mum friends - the opposite in fact, as my dd is an only child I shoulder more of the playdate load as other families have siblings and more going on. I pay for any childcare I get. I'm really fucking bitter about it all actually. I don't feel I elicit much sympathy, people are busy and have their own stuff going on, they're not flocking to help.

I think this is more about the individuals you know than widows as a group.

Anotherparkingthread · 16/05/2024 19:54

This is unfathomably crass.

poptartsuperfan · 16/05/2024 19:53

Gosh OP It didn't take long for MN to prove you right, did it?

You chose you marry and have kids. Yes you did. But you didn't chose for him to be abusive and then fuck off.

Quiteavibe · 16/05/2024 19:52

Fundraisers, paid holidays? I must be doing widowhood wrong. I do agree people feel compassion in the early days after a death, but beyond a few weeks people aren't queuing up to take your kids or give you money.

There's lots of ways to be a single parent- some single parents have an involved dad there every other weekend so they get a break, that doesn't happen to you or the widows.

Some widows had no life insurance and so are very impoverished, some aren't, some single divorced parents have maintenance money that isn't counted in their benefits so have quite a nice lifestyle.

In general, I don't think it helps to compare, but I do agree many parents don't have support- I think families who are completely alone with no grandparents or other friends to help, no dad around, and/or children with significant disabilities have it toughest and that's whether they are widowed or divorced or together but struggling.

FlippyFloppyShoe · 16/05/2024 19:49

I feel most sorry for the widows children who can never see their dad again, I know your children don't see their dad either, but they might have some hope that they can in future (although I appreciate both sets of children may have different issues because of their dad's not being present).
I can get what you are saying about how people are treated differently and even on here you get people saying things akin to 'you shouldn't have picked such a loser to have kids with then, I made better choices' etc etc, but no-one would ever say to a widow eg 'you should have picked a healthier husband to have children with'

Ereyraa · 16/05/2024 19:48

Because there’s a DF still alive who should be in the picture helping out.

OceanStorm · 16/05/2024 19:47

Although a sad situation, you chose to marry and have kids with your partner. The widows didn't choose for their husbands to die

Singlemum90 · 16/05/2024 19:45

Unfortunately I do feel you are correct. I was a single parent at a time after leaving a horribly unhealthy relationship. I had mentioned to my own mother I had seen that there were holidays for single parents and I thought I would try to save up for one as I was rather lonely and would have loved the companionship with others in the same position. She didn't acknowledge what I had said other than to spit in disgust that I wasn't a single parent as I had never been married. 🤔 I wasn't even worthy of the title single parent. It sucked. Zero help given as they didn't want me to rely on them my dad told me a while later. I never asked for a thing. But how she spoke of her friend who was widowed young was the opposite. I can only assume she thought I brought it on myself so deserved the difficulty. I am very sorry your parents seem similarly hurtful

missmollygreen · 16/05/2024 19:42

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