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To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 17:58

Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?
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BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 21:21
  • *They’ve stopped gender self id

After they started it.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:05

@AdamRyan
‘Especially when so many invest time attacking, threatening or undermining’

Wow!! A friend of mine left MN because Labour supporters treated her with such aggression. She had enough. But you can ignore that I guess.

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AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 21:01

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 20:32

@sooty

  • They’ve stopped gender self id
  • They’ve ensured that several countries' Gender Recognition Certificates (GRC) will no longer be recognised by the UK Government
  • they've stopped the teaching of ‘transgender’ (as in stopped teaching children that how you feel is what ‘gender’ you are. Biology means nothing) to young children
  • they’ve now introduced guidance for schools on the issue.

I’m not a Tory cheerleader. Just answering your question.

Noting that you (of course) haven’t admitted your misunderstanding (purposeful or not) regarding conflating predatory males with people with gender dysphoria.

Their "guidance" took years and is confusing and unhelpful. Because it's a fudge to make it look like they care.

Gender self ID was their policy that they U turned on thanks to feminists challenging them relentlessly.

I find the recognition of GRC thing baffling and pointless, but yay Kemi did a thing,I guess.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:00

Churchview · 18/05/2024 20:51

I mean, is there another way of communicating with us/Labour voters.

I see you feel you've received 'shit' but you've also thrown it in this thread. It's hard to reach a good outcome or share ground with someone who posts,

"Not much point playing chess with a pigeon. That’s how it feels trying to discuss how I feel about women’s rights, with fanatical Labour supporters."

Well I'm not a fanatical Labour supporter and neither are most of the people on Mumsnet who would like to gather together with other women to see how our opinions and voices can be heard. Why make an enemy of us? Why blame Keir Starmer or Labour as you do? The issue is bigger isn't it? Only the heft of women across the spectrum of political views is going to solve this problem which, as your links show, is worldwide, not just Labour, Tory or Keir Starmer.

People are irked by the blame/rage against Labour. Do you want that? Or do you want the anger directed at the problem?

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I don’t think anyone vote switches so I’m not interested in voting intention but I do think there’s a disconnect between what has been achieved and is now appreciated and the derision shown on many of these threads

So I’d start with the basic premise that whatever politicians do is down to women who have spoken up and changed things. Some at great personal cost.

I’d prefer that to be acknowledged than most of the mocking / derision you see. I am grateful to each of those women. Especially when so many invest time attacking, threatening or undermining.

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:58

Churchview · 18/05/2024 20:30

It's not that we don't understand @Greengablesfables , it's the pinning of everything onto Labour. All of the UK incidents you've posted above have happened whilst Labour have been in opposition. It is not Labour causing the problem.

Other women do care deeply about women and children, their safety, opportunity and health. We care as much as you in different ways, sometimes in exactly the same way as you. A lot of us have faith in a lot of what we believe Keir Starmer's Labour will do for women in a wider sense and yet you never seem to hear that from us .

You are criticising other women when you deride people with left wing views.
Keeping the division, blaming one group of women, making us The Other isn't going to win the battle or our ears.

Is there another way?

Great post Star

Churchview · 18/05/2024 20:51

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 20:36

@Churchview

‘Keeping the division, blaming one group of women, making us The Other isn't going to win the battle or our ears.’

I agree. The sht I (and others) have received from Labour posters you wouldn’t believe.

Is there another way? Another way to what? Even the ‘Women's Equality Party’ think men can be women.

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I mean, is there another way of communicating with us/Labour voters.

I see you feel you've received 'shit' but you've also thrown it in this thread. It's hard to reach a good outcome or share ground with someone who posts,

"Not much point playing chess with a pigeon. That’s how it feels trying to discuss how I feel about women’s rights, with fanatical Labour supporters."

Well I'm not a fanatical Labour supporter and neither are most of the people on Mumsnet who would like to gather together with other women to see how our opinions and voices can be heard. Why make an enemy of us? Why blame Keir Starmer or Labour as you do? The issue is bigger isn't it? Only the heft of women across the spectrum of political views is going to solve this problem which, as your links show, is worldwide, not just Labour, Tory or Keir Starmer.

People are irked by the blame/rage against Labour. Do you want that? Or do you want the anger directed at the problem?

Applescruffle · 18/05/2024 20:38

Tbh he could murder a puppy live on TV and I'd probably still vote for him.
Anything but more tories.

ilovesooty · 18/05/2024 20:36

Have they "stopped the teaching of transgender"? That seems to be a simplistic view of the guidance. Not all people (or women) are happy with the guidance anyway.

As for your last statement, I'll treat it as it deserves by ignoring it.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 20:36

@Churchview

‘Keeping the division, blaming one group of women, making us The Other isn't going to win the battle or our ears.’

I agree. The sht I (and others) have received from Labour posters you wouldn’t believe.

Is there another way? Another way to what? Even the ‘Women's Equality Party’ think men can be women.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 20:32

@sooty

  • They’ve stopped gender self id
  • They’ve ensured that several countries' Gender Recognition Certificates (GRC) will no longer be recognised by the UK Government
  • they've stopped the teaching of ‘transgender’ (as in stopped teaching children that how you feel is what ‘gender’ you are. Biology means nothing) to young children
  • they’ve now introduced guidance for schools on the issue.

I’m not a Tory cheerleader. Just answering your question.

Noting that you (of course) haven’t admitted your misunderstanding (purposeful or not) regarding conflating predatory males with people with gender dysphoria.

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Churchview · 18/05/2024 20:30

It's not that we don't understand @Greengablesfables , it's the pinning of everything onto Labour. All of the UK incidents you've posted above have happened whilst Labour have been in opposition. It is not Labour causing the problem.

Other women do care deeply about women and children, their safety, opportunity and health. We care as much as you in different ways, sometimes in exactly the same way as you. A lot of us have faith in a lot of what we believe Keir Starmer's Labour will do for women in a wider sense and yet you never seem to hear that from us .

You are criticising other women when you deride people with left wing views.
Keeping the division, blaming one group of women, making us The Other isn't going to win the battle or our ears.

Is there another way?

BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 20:25

L1ttledrummergirl · 18/05/2024 19:56

Why all the spamming of crimes that have happened under the tories? Is it to show us that if we vote tory, this is what we get?

More of the same.

One of those links is about Mexican elections, ffs!

ilovesooty · 18/05/2024 20:03

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 20:01

No. I posted several links about predatory men pretending to be women. Read it. Comprehend it. Admit it.

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So what has the current government done about these situations during the many years they've been in power?

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 20:01

BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 19:52

You’ve just posted umpteen links about transgender people. Own it.

No. I posted several links about predatory men pretending to be women. Read it. Comprehend it. Admit it.

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L1ttledrummergirl · 18/05/2024 19:56

Why all the spamming of crimes that have happened under the tories? Is it to show us that if we vote tory, this is what we get?

More of the same.

ilovesooty · 18/05/2024 19:53

BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 19:36

There’s never any answer to that, desperate constant asking. Of course it’s all about transgender people. They’re obsessed.

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No, there's never any answer. Kemi has been mulling for some time though.

Whatever I thought of Theresa May in general she did some concrete work for the benefit of women. I can't see any evidence that any of the Tories afterwards have done anything much. Still if people want to overlook that failure and paint Starmer as a bogeyman that's what they'll do.

BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 19:52

You’ve just posted umpteen links about transgender people. Own it.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 19:44

BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 19:36

There’s never any answer to that, desperate constant asking. Of course it’s all about transgender people. They’re obsessed.

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No. It’s about predatory men

  • pretending to be women

and or

  • being allowed / invited into women’s spaces.

I’m not quite sure why some find that so hard to understand; but the more I’ve thought about it, I realise they do understand. It simply doesn’t suit their narrative to admit it.

We are most definitely on ‘the right side of history’ (that vomitous left wing phrase).

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BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 19:36

ilovesooty · 18/05/2024 19:27

So it's all about the transgender people then.

ETA and the current government could be doing something about these concerns. Just what are they doing? Given that they've been in power for 14 years...

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There’s never any answer to that, desperate constant asking. Of course it’s all about transgender people. They’re obsessed.

ilovesooty · 18/05/2024 19:27

So it's all about the transgender people then.

ETA and the current government could be doing something about these concerns. Just what are they doing? Given that they've been in power for 14 years...

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