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To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 17:58

Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?
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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 16/05/2024 21:06

DustyLee123 · 16/05/2024 18:02

But he’s not the only one in the Labour party

He is the leader and will be if they get in.
Just shows that even as the opposition for 17 years he still cant say the right things

Churchview · 16/05/2024 21:05

There are a lot of women who will be very pleased to hear about better availability of hospital appointments, more police and more teachers.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 21:04

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 16/05/2024 21:04

Oh fgs. This place!

Is that you, Kemi/Suella/Gillian etc?

How are people still incapable of hiding a thread

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 16/05/2024 21:04

Oh fgs. This place!

Is that you, Kemi/Suella/Gillian etc?

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 21:02

@pointythings

‘The problem women have is men. Transwomen are only a tiny, tiny proportion of the predatory men out there’

Totally missing the point 🤯🙈

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EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 21:02

pointythings · 16/05/2024 21:01

Yes ‘trans issue’ is a bit of a giveaway

It's shorthand. You know that perfectly well.

The problem women have is men. Transwomen are only a tiny, tiny proportion of the predatory men out there. Focusing on them and ignoring, for instance, the all but explicit legalisation of rape in the UK, is completely missing the point.

If that one thing decides your vote above all others, you have not been paying attention to the way our government has made life harder for women across the piece. If you genuinely think the Tories do better for women, you haven't been listening.

Are Labour perfect? Of course not. But more of the same isn't the answer so like many pragmatists I will settle for change with the likelihood of at least some improvement in some areas.

You didn’t answer how you were able to list the things you want to keep

It was due to women speaking up. Something a few posters rally against.

pointythings · 16/05/2024 21:01

Yes ‘trans issue’ is a bit of a giveaway

It's shorthand. You know that perfectly well.

The problem women have is men. Transwomen are only a tiny, tiny proportion of the predatory men out there. Focusing on them and ignoring, for instance, the all but explicit legalisation of rape in the UK, is completely missing the point.

If that one thing decides your vote above all others, you have not been paying attention to the way our government has made life harder for women across the piece. If you genuinely think the Tories do better for women, you haven't been listening.

Are Labour perfect? Of course not. But more of the same isn't the answer so like many pragmatists I will settle for change with the likelihood of at least some improvement in some areas.

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 21:00

MistyGreenAndBlue · 16/05/2024 20:55

Labour don't listen to women. They make an absolute POINT of not listening to women. Have you not been paying attention?

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What, like this you mean?

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MistyGreenAndBlue · 16/05/2024 20:55

Allthesea · 16/05/2024 20:45

I don’t really think so.

The same people who are raising concerns now would have raised the same concerns no matter who was charge, but possibly they would have been heard earlier if we had a government that even took an interest in what is happening in public services.

I have voted Tory in the past but I lost all confidence some years ago and gender politics is no different.

Labour gets my vote.

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Labour don't listen to women. They make an absolute POINT of not listening to women. Have you not been paying attention?

user1471453601 · 16/05/2024 20:53

Keir is ignoring women and children you say?

So, women and children don't care about reducing NHS waiting lists, getting more teachers into schools, stabilising the economy ect?

news to me. You'll note that, by using his first name, I'm a Labour supporter.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 20:52

Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 20:50

I’m not sure what this ‘trans issue’ is.

My issue is this women’s issue thing. Women and children.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

But this is old ground. I’m waiting for Labour to listen to women. Or women like me. Women like Labours own RD. Until then no vote.

As the other thread I posted above in pp discussed . 2022 and they are no better.

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My issue is this women’s issue thing. Women and children.

Yes ‘trans issue’ is a bit of a giveaway

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 20:50

I’m not sure what this ‘trans issue’ is.

My issue is this women’s issue thing. Women and children.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

But this is old ground. I’m waiting for Labour to listen to women. Or women like me. Women like Labours own RD. Until then no vote.

As the other thread I posted above in pp discussed . 2022 and they are no better.

The Labour Party has a woman problem

I know how it feels to be in an abusive relationship

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

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Zonder · 16/05/2024 20:47

Well said @pointythings

Allthesea · 16/05/2024 20:45

MistyGreenAndBlue · 16/05/2024 18:55

This ignores the fact that gender ideology swept across the western world the last ten years or so. It divided America and took over Canada and Australia and half of Europe for a start. Yes, we got caught up in it but the Tories put the brakes on a while back when they rowed back on self ID. Had we had a leftist party in power, we would be full on gender woo by now.

Could the Tories have done better? Yes. But it could have been soooooo much worse.

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I don’t really think so.

The same people who are raising concerns now would have raised the same concerns no matter who was charge, but possibly they would have been heard earlier if we had a government that even took an interest in what is happening in public services.

I have voted Tory in the past but I lost all confidence some years ago and gender politics is no different.

Labour gets my vote.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 20:44

pointythings · 16/05/2024 20:38

Yep, I love people who think the trans issue is more important than all the other issues that affect so many more women to a far greater degree: the NHS, Council services, domestic violence services, the rolling back of rights for temp workers, education and school buildings, insecure housing. You know, trivial little things like that.

Clearly I'm not a true feminist.

Just FWIW: I oppose the use of puberty blockers. I just don't believe Labour are going to reinstate their use. I support the Cass report. I just don't think Labour are going to bin it. And I also haven't forgotten that men in female prisons, men in women's sport and men in female NHS wards has all happened under the current government. And yet here we are again - the Tories are the best party for women.

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Those things you appreciate in the second paragraph. Is that due to people saying stop going on about the ‘trans issue’ or because women did speak up and effected change?

I’d say it was down to many women speaking up, even if often derided (including by pp on here sadly)

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 20:44

pointythings · 16/05/2024 20:38

Yep, I love people who think the trans issue is more important than all the other issues that affect so many more women to a far greater degree: the NHS, Council services, domestic violence services, the rolling back of rights for temp workers, education and school buildings, insecure housing. You know, trivial little things like that.

Clearly I'm not a true feminist.

Just FWIW: I oppose the use of puberty blockers. I just don't believe Labour are going to reinstate their use. I support the Cass report. I just don't think Labour are going to bin it. And I also haven't forgotten that men in female prisons, men in women's sport and men in female NHS wards has all happened under the current government. And yet here we are again - the Tories are the best party for women.

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They are great aren't they?
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/11/number-of-women-in-uk-who-die-during-pregnancy-rises-sharply

https://www.jrf.org.uk/uk-poverty-2024-the-essential-guide-to-understanding-poverty-in-the-uk

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-01/all-the-tories-embroiled-in-sexual-misconduct-allegations-since-2019

Number of women in UK who die during pregnancy rises sharply | Women | The Guardian

Separate study finds women who are depressed in pregnancy more likely to die prematurely

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/11/number-of-women-in-uk-who-die-during-pregnancy-rises-sharply

pointythings · 16/05/2024 20:38

Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 20:21

Pointy loves this stuff

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Yep, I love people who think the trans issue is more important than all the other issues that affect so many more women to a far greater degree: the NHS, Council services, domestic violence services, the rolling back of rights for temp workers, education and school buildings, insecure housing. You know, trivial little things like that.

Clearly I'm not a true feminist.

Just FWIW: I oppose the use of puberty blockers. I just don't believe Labour are going to reinstate their use. I support the Cass report. I just don't think Labour are going to bin it. And I also haven't forgotten that men in female prisons, men in women's sport and men in female NHS wards has all happened under the current government. And yet here we are again - the Tories are the best party for women.

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 20:36

What threat to womens rights do you think Starmer poses, exactly?
He's aiming to halve violence against women and girls. Treat repeat domestic abusers and rapists like the serious criminals they are. Various other actions that benefit women. Lots of it was covered in Emily Thornberry's conference speech.

https://www.emilythornberry.com/shadow-attorney-general/2023/10/10/making-the-law-work-for-women-my-labour-conference-speech-2023/

Labour also have a position on the GRA and protecting single sex spaces which is more thought through than the other parties including the Conservatives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

It's very strange that people keep insisting they are somehow dangerous. I'd much rather Labour than the current bunch of Conservative muppets. Imagine voting for a party where one of the leading female MPs would rather protect men from "vexatious complaints" than protect victims from having to see their attacker at work 🤬
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/tory-mps-share-despair-at-pms-top-team-over-commons-vote-in-leaked-whatsapps-13135829

Making the Law Work for Women – My Labour Conference Speech 2023 - Emily Thornberry

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https://www.emilythornberry.com/shadow-attorney-general/2023/10/10/making-the-law-work-for-women-my-labour-conference-speech-2023

Zonder · 16/05/2024 20:32

I don't know, I think his 6 policies are going to be better for women than the current government.

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 20:31

At least things have moved in since 2022. But not with Starmer. Why?

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Longcovider · 16/05/2024 20:24

Here we go again.

OriginalUsername2 · 16/05/2024 20:23

What specifically do you want?

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 20:22

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 16/05/2024 19:01

Yes one of those threads.

Apparently every problem women face today is nothing to do with the government who have been in power for the last 14 years.

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The only ones who mention ‘shills’ and ‘bots’ seem to be Labour supporters / members. 🤔

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 20:21

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 19:01

Can’t you hide the thread?

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Pointy loves this stuff

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