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To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 17:58

Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?
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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 23:34

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:32

You wrote the OP. Why did you do that if you find it tedious? Confused

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Oh I don’t. But I know you do. Or at least you said you did. You could’ve been lying of course.

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Marjoriefrobisher · 16/05/2024 23:33

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:31

Do you say that the posters on FWR with trans children and family members can't be trusted, because they have "vested interests"? Or the posters on the trans widows threads?

Personally I prefer to think most adults can separate family from work where necessary. And i still think it's distasteful to use a rumour with no evidence about a politicians child, to suit one's own political ends. Seems to be happening a lot. I've heard the same, incorrect, fact said about Yvette Coopers son.

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Agree with this, but Labour happy enough to drag their opponents wives and families in when it suits them. Perhaps they should be more circumspect if they don’t like it done to them.

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:32

Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 23:26

🙄 it’s was in a verbal interview. Not quite sure what you are on about ref typo.

Also not a gotcha, the fact you think it is says more about you than me, or anyone else who brings it up as relevant.

Aren’t you tired of these dull threads?

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You wrote the OP. Why did you do that if you find it tedious? Confused

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 23:32

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 23:11

Just because you don't vote labour doesn't automatically mean you vote Tory.

It doesn’t. We all know this but to the labour supporters on here it’s always their fall back / critical analysis output….

But what if it did anyway. We are a free country and have many voting choices. It’s not up to anyone to tell anyone else who to vote for 🤷‍♀️

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AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:31

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 23:19

The mythical status of his child is irrelevant to Labour's position on trans issues. I find it deeply distasteful that it gets brought up as some kind of "gotcha" on these threads. Leave politician's children out of it.

It's not irrelevant at all or a 'gotcha'. He has a vested interest if his child is indeed trans.

Do you say that the posters on FWR with trans children and family members can't be trusted, because they have "vested interests"? Or the posters on the trans widows threads?

Personally I prefer to think most adults can separate family from work where necessary. And i still think it's distasteful to use a rumour with no evidence about a politicians child, to suit one's own political ends. Seems to be happening a lot. I've heard the same, incorrect, fact said about Yvette Coopers son.

Marjoriefrobisher · 16/05/2024 23:28

Also it has to be said that pretty well all the senior leadership of Labour, including the hapless Starmer, are on the record as being signed up to genderism. So it’s absolutely fair to be suspicious of them in this regard.
tories doing a nice job of leaving him hogtied on this issue though. Will be amusing to see it blow up in his face when he’s in power 😂

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 23:27

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 23:26

My mum would call me my siblings names (both sexes) before she got to me. It's not unusual. She'd never mistake having a son for a daughter though.

Quite. But they know that.

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Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 23:26

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:17

Based on a typo in a daily mail article Confused

The mythical status of his child is irrelevant to Labour's position on trans issues. I find it deeply distasteful that it gets brought up as some kind of "gotcha" on these threads. Leave politician's children out of it.

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🙄 it’s was in a verbal interview. Not quite sure what you are on about ref typo.

Also not a gotcha, the fact you think it is says more about you than me, or anyone else who brings it up as relevant.

Aren’t you tired of these dull threads?

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 23:26

My mum would call me my siblings names (both sexes) before she got to me. It's not unusual. She'd never mistake having a son for a daughter though.

Chickenuggetsticks · 16/05/2024 23:26

Tbh not having enough of a backbone to admit that no damn women has ever had a penis doesn’t look good does it. Also Dawn Butler should get in the bin.

They have all been pretty cowardly tbh but Labour are definitely better at throwing women under the bus when it comes to women's sex based rights. Lets hope they all find their spines.

Marjoriefrobisher · 16/05/2024 23:24

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:22

"Genderists and their dodgy drugs" =/= Labour

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I think you’ve missed the point I was making. The PP was dismissing the concern re trans issues as a middle class obsession. That’s completely wrong.

Marjoriefrobisher · 16/05/2024 23:23

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:21

I said my son was 18 to someone yesterday. He's twenty Confused

Also regularly call the kids by each other and the dogs name.

Hmmm. Maybe I think my child has changed species

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I’ve no particular view on the Starmer issue - none of my business- but nothing you mention here is remotely the same as calling a son a daughter or vice versa.

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:22

Marjoriefrobisher · 16/05/2024 23:21

If you read Hannah Barnes’ book and some of the other work that’s been done on this issue, it becomes clear that it was some of the most disadvantaged kids in our society - kids in care, abuse victims, kids with ASD - who were most at risk from the genderists and their dodgy drugs.

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"Genderists and their dodgy drugs" =/= Labour

Marjoriefrobisher · 16/05/2024 23:21

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 16/05/2024 22:36

I wish some posters would bugger off back to their white middle class financially insulated ivory towers where obviously life under the tories has been amazeballs. No immigrants, no dodgy trans people, and happy for private schools to flourish without contributing anything whilst at the same time sending their own kids to state grammar schools. See the bigger picture they say, women’s rights will be destroyed under Labour whilst the Tories have been quite happy to shaft w/c women and girls for years. Couldn’t make it up.

If you read Hannah Barnes’ book and some of the other work that’s been done on this issue, it becomes clear that it was some of the most disadvantaged kids in our society - kids in care, abuse victims, kids with ASD - who were most at risk from the genderists and their dodgy drugs.

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:21

Zonder · 16/05/2024 23:08

Don't be silly. Of course he knows. But you show me one person who never stumbles with words, never calls someone the wrong name, never gets the ages of their kids wrong. It's all the same part of the brain. Only yesterday I firmly announced that my daughter is doing A levels. She's not. Her brother is. That doesn't mean he is trans.

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I said my son was 18 to someone yesterday. He's twenty Confused

Also regularly call the kids by each other and the dogs name.

Hmmm. Maybe I think my child has changed species

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 23:19

The pp who spend time lashing out at women who raise this issue

Would they prefer Self ID and puberty blockers still?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 23:19

The mythical status of his child is irrelevant to Labour's position on trans issues. I find it deeply distasteful that it gets brought up as some kind of "gotcha" on these threads. Leave politician's children out of it.

It's not irrelevant at all or a 'gotcha'. He has a vested interest if his child is indeed trans.

WickedSerious · 16/05/2024 23:18

WisePearlTurtle · 16/05/2024 21:52

Starmer is one of the worst politicians of the 21st century

He's a spineless wibbler.

AdamRyan · 16/05/2024 23:17

Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 22:22

There’s a solid rumour that one of his children is trans. That would significantly influence his behaviour wrt women’s rights.

It is not the publics business to know about his child. But where he’s potentially the pm of this country, with power to implement policy that affects us all, one could say that such an influential factor is significant. Every one of does the best for our children. But everyone of us isn’t potential pm.

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Based on a typo in a daily mail article Confused

The mythical status of his child is irrelevant to Labour's position on trans issues. I find it deeply distasteful that it gets brought up as some kind of "gotcha" on these threads. Leave politician's children out of it.

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 16/05/2024 23:16

well there’s SNP or Lib Dems of Plaid Cymru but their stance on gender ID is worse than Labour’s. That leaves Reform.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 23:11

Just because you don't vote labour doesn't automatically mean you vote Tory.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 16/05/2024 23:10

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 16/05/2024 23:03

@AccidentallyWesAnderson there are certain posters on here who are all over anti immigration threads and ‘Labour doesn’t know what a woman is’ rants. Weird that.

@MistyGreenAndBlue well sorry if you’re voting tory and disabled and struggling like hell, I’ve no sympathy. Like who votes against their own interests when the whole issue for the most part is a Tory racket designed to create divert attention from their appalling record.

I didn't ask for your sympathy. I also didn't say I was voting Tory (I'm not) but, having looked into it, I'm convinced that Labour won't make my life any better anyway. They seem just as anti-disabled as the Tories based on their own words. Your faith in them is misguided.

Zonder · 16/05/2024 23:09

Greengablesfables · 16/05/2024 22:37

It’s much more than that. But either way. No one forgets what sex their children are.

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They don't forget. But they say the wrong thing. See my post above this one. Then tell me you've never said the wrong thing. I'm always calling my cat by my daughter's name.

Zonder · 16/05/2024 23:08

MistyGreenAndBlue · 16/05/2024 22:35

Oh please. You show me one person, even under pressure, who doesn't know the sex of their own kids that they live with and see every day.

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Don't be silly. Of course he knows. But you show me one person who never stumbles with words, never calls someone the wrong name, never gets the ages of their kids wrong. It's all the same part of the brain. Only yesterday I firmly announced that my daughter is doing A levels. She's not. Her brother is. That doesn't mean he is trans.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 23:06

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 16/05/2024 23:03

@AccidentallyWesAnderson there are certain posters on here who are all over anti immigration threads and ‘Labour doesn’t know what a woman is’ rants. Weird that.

@MistyGreenAndBlue well sorry if you’re voting tory and disabled and struggling like hell, I’ve no sympathy. Like who votes against their own interests when the whole issue for the most part is a Tory racket designed to create divert attention from their appalling record.

Just come out with it don’t be coy.

I think you’ve been there before haven’t you? It’s pretty much all in your head this stuff.