To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

Re the son/daughter and ‘stumbling over his words’ discussion.

Linguistically, it will have been an active choice for him to say sons, because of the word ‘two’ preceding it.

I thought Labour went along with the Cass report ?

I disagree I’m fine with where we are. Women have spoken up and it’s taken Self ID off the table (the promotion of it anyway) and puberty blockers are now stopped and Cass Review is excellent. Dr Cass also has had threats due to it, because of anger.

At each step of the way there’s been backlash and stop or worse violence and threats.

Btw if you are constantly reading something that is a choice on this site.

No one minds labour being slated if it’s appropriate but most of these threads feel like gaslighting on a huge scale. To think that the Tories care about women is ridiculous. It’s just pointless political point scoring in the the face of damning reality.
Why some of these posters can’t just say that both parties are as bad as each other god knows but they don’t which means they are essentially posting in bad faith. It’s just a Tory pre election nudge very poorly executed. Most people can see the shit state of the country, I doubt this will influence votes. Like child’s 3 year wait for CAMS appointment or a child’s school loosing TAs v gender ID, mmmm which is more important for most ordinary wc people.

it is difficult otherwise to fathom quite why Starmer has been in approval of unregulated life-alterating medical experiments on children, and in favour of stripping women of the right to equality in the workplace and sports, and happy to put women at risk in prisons and changing rooms.

It would be incredibly difficult to fathom if any of it was true. But it’s not.

The anger is not about reading something that's not pro anger.

My anger is that Labour have not published a manifesto yet, and won't until an election is called, yet I am constantly read bullshit about what they plan to do written as fact.

My anger is that by pushing this made up bollocks as fact, the tories are not being held accountable for the genuine harms that they have done to women, children and the most vulnerable in society.

My anger is that by constantly dripping this issue in people's ears, people switch off from it as an issue, they stop listening, so when womens rights are attacked, people have stopped caring. You are damaging your own argument.

The Cass review and banning of beta blockers came from the anger a few years ago, people don't have the energy to remain at boiling pot, they need to simmer for a bit. Continual agitation is harmful and loses its impact.

I agree with you that Cameron showed an appalling lack of empathy here, when you might have expected him to feel some, both in his treatment of the NHS and for carers and disability benefits. However, the situations are not comparable, as the Camerons have the financial security to never need to rely on the NHS or benefits if they don’t want to (though they did claim benefits they didn’t need and then promptly whipped the rug out from others who did need them).

If Starmer has a trans child, this is very different, as they won’t be able to opt out of society, they will be subject to the laws and policies same as everyone else.

It is relevant for voters to know if Starmer is conflicted here, in the same way we wouldn’t allow a judge to preside over a legal case he or she had a vested interest in. Similarly, doctors can’t make medical decisions for family members. The conflicts of interest are obvious.

Moreover, you can’t expect voters not to want to know the truth of the situation when it is difficult otherwise to fathom quite why Starmer has been in approval of unregulated life-alterating medical experiments on children, and in favour of stripping women of the right to equality in the workplace and sports, and happy to put women at risk in prisons and changing rooms.

You’d have thought Cameron would have had a vested interest in the NHS and disability, wouldn’t you? Anyone expecting that was disappointed.

Why is it ‘ramming’ when some click on every thread on a site where it’s optional to read or hide?

The anger from posters at reading something not pro Labour is… a bit idk odd

If women had just done as some would like you’d still have self ID and puberty blockers. Is that really what pp are after

Who is ‘they’?

Who's paid?

You only have to look at the sleazy records of the Tory MPs to see exactly how most of them view women.

They are not blinkered. They are paid employees of the Tory’s or US backed libertarian lobbyists. They have a clear agenda to create a ‘they’re all the same’ apathy to dampen voting which will help the Tory’s at the next general election.

Yes Stella Creasy hates women and never speaks on matters relating to women!!

FFS Tory HQ, get better interns to cover social media. Initially the ‘at least Tory’s know what a woman is’ thing on here was frustrating but now it’s just cringey and embarrassing. Will Sunak’s next reset involve having his wife front and centre to appeal to the wimmins?

Yup. Eurgh. I'm. So. Fed. Up. Of. This. Shit.

I opened MN at this fairly early hour because I can't sleep because I'm annoyed about work which is currently feeling more and more like a boy's club (and it's not even this 'newer' threat to women and girls' rights and the trans issue, just your usual classic common or garden glass ceiling, women being passed over for opportunities, not being included in prime networking opportunities which are all very blokey etc. etc.). All our managers are men and your words could equally have applied to my bosses and my current work situation.

We're telling them what the problem is, BUT. THEY. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT.

Is it Keir Starmer, in his position as leader of the opposition who has brought maternity care and provision to its knees, endangering the lives of thousands of women and children? Was it Keir Starmer who closed one in three Sure Start centres? Did he single handedly destroy child trust funds? Did he create so much poverty that menstruating women and girls must get their period products from food banks? Is it he who has allowed a mental health crisis to develop, one in which children and their parents wait for three years, sometimes with no educational provision or other support, to obtain a diagnosis of, and support for, neurodovergence? Did he plunge thousands into uncertainty and poverty with his revisions to Universal credit? Did he target the disabled with his reforms of disability benefits, adding further stress and worry to their financial situation?

The debates about gender are important. I am a feminist. But the general election is so much more than one policy politics. There is a much, much bigger picture out there when it comes to women and children, starting with the NHS and education. Labour has its priorities absolutely right. I shall continue to lobby Keir Starmer and colleagues regarding gender identity. But they will get my vote because I believe that with Labour in power the country will be better for everyone who has been disadvantaged by the current regime.

Please do not forget how malignant the Tories have been for women and children's rights.

Honestly? I don’t understand why people get in such a flap about this. Look at the absolute state of the country - failed NHS, failed schools, housing crisis, cost of living crisis, not to mention all of the knock on effects these things cause.

I want Labour in to sort these things out. I completely agree with these concerns, but cutting off your nose to spite your face is getting us absolutely nowhere.

South Norfolk here too and I have some hope. The PCC vote flipped to Labour and the make up of the constituency is really changing with all the new builds on the Norwich outskirts. Suspect the Tories may hang on this time but their lead majority will be much reduced which might make future votes a lot less of a foregone conclusion.

Look at Mid Beds. Nadine Dorres' constituency as safe a blue as you'd get. Now Labour and more recently a Labour police commissioner. Even Labour didn't expect that. The Tory voters are PISSED off.

Honestly the Tory HQ needs to wake up and realise these 'culture wars' aren't driving people to vote, it's not being able to see a GP that making the older generations switch.

It’s interesting, and really quite funny, how a certain type of person absolutely loses their shit when they contemplate how successful people like the Murthys or Sunak are. They somehow can’t quite believe they might be legit. Wonder why that is. Hmmm.

So you acknowledge you were misleading in relation to your original allegations. Progress!
The rest, sadly, is pure conspiracy theory. Infosys is one of the biggest IT suppliers in the world. Of course they get government business and will continue to do so. And they are far from the only company operating here with a desire to bring in workers from India. The majority of actuaries and data analysts my employer recruits now are from India. its a pity you have a problem with this.

Hi @Allthesea who is your local Labour mp. I'm desperate to vote Labour as I want tories out but feel so unheard with this issue. If there was a Labour mp that could let us be heard I'd back her/him and hope the rest of the party could see.

This is old ground

Well I suppose the OP had a point there. Plenty of threads saying how dangerous Labour apparently are for women. Ramming that allegation down people's throats every few days isn't going to persuade people.

op would you rather have the Tory's still in power because posting things like this are just making that more likely to happen. Pick your battles next year!

Labour haven't been in opposition for 17 years.

He hasn't been the leader for 17 years either.