To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

Well I guess it’s better than anti immigration crap 😂
Most folk hopefully will be pragmatic. They think the gender stuff has gone too far but other things have a greater bearing on their everyday lives like the NHS and state education and public transport. I don’t live in London, my town is falling apart, it’s a shadow of its former self compared to 14 years ago. We have 2 Tory MPs who’ve done bugger all. Most will be more bothered about that at the same time as not agreeing that young children should get puberty blockers. For the privileged few who have nothing else to worry about it can be an overriding passion but for most of us not so much. Still think the tories’s record is abysmal and won’t vote for them.

yeah. The threads where women on MN point out that biology matters. Sorry if that bores you.

What is the main point of your posts? Stop going on about this issue or…?

Mn has been pretty good actually at providing a place for women to speak up. The internet is fairly misogynistic when it comes to this stuff.

Obviously there’s anger on here at it existing but mnhq have been good.

Tf there’s somewhere

Of course not, but it’s silly to ask for proof as if you haven’t read a newspaper, listened to the radio or a podcast or watched TV for 8 years. Just tune in.

Everyone knows that Labour’s been in thrall to gender-woo for years, they’ve been very open about it. Just to make you happy, I will reference Starmer saying ‘it’s not right’ to say that only women have cervixes’. There’s also his treatment of Rosie Duffield.

I could go on, there’s no shortage of this rubbish, but I have work to do and frankly, it’s not something that anyone needs to prove, anymore than they need to prove it often rains in the UK. Nobody needs to prove the bleeding obvious, it’s those who are trying to rewrite history, like yourself, who need to do that.

Your call for proof is either wildly naive or a mendacious attempt to get out of providing your own proof, as you know full well that you can’t. Nobody is fooled, we see you!

Do whatever

I will, thanks.

I think you'll find I don't rail against it. There is more to speaking out and bringing about change than watering down the argument by posting the same old shit on mumsnet.

Read it or don’t you’re all supposedly having it ‘rammed’ or made to read it for some reason. If people are sick of constantly seeing it well there’s an easy way to deal with that via the site

Do whatever 🤷‍♀️

Oh I see that well known supporter of women, Andrea Jenkyns, was being very vocal about voting against that last night.

Here we go. It gets personal every time. What about the proposed restriction on abortion? That’s pretty fundamental to women’s rights, isn’t it? Or is that the wrong kind of women’s rights?

Please don't tell me and other posters what I should read or respond to.

You wouldn't be trying to shut us up would you? 🤔

Don’t read it then 🤷‍♀️ you’re here every time

You're also more obsessed with ‘toilets’

Have you ever started a thread on the topic you want to discuss? or more about having a go on these ones

Nobody’s “railing”. The constant narrative about toilets and puberty blockers does get tedious. Surely anyone concerned about women’s rights would be all over the current proposal to change abortion law? The impact of that will be huge if it goes through.

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3511/stages/18470/amendments/10014840

It’s interesting when posters say they don’t want Self ID or puberty blockers but have spent their time angry at women speaking up so they can get things changed.

There’s a whole load of people who were angry or threatening, fortunately many women just moved on and kept going. Grateful to all of them

Well yes like Brexit the British voting public isn’t known for its intelligence or foresight 🙄

I can see why you don’t want it mentioned, it shows that women have effected change.

Something you rail against.

That's what we said in 1997.

is that meant to be some kind of accusation? You’re going to have to make it more explicit, if so.

i absolutely do not give a shit about starmer’s family situation, but the determination of his fan base to explain away that statement is funny, and revealing.

You said it.

More conspiracy theory
the internet has been very bad for some people

This obsession with puberty blockers is just a bit repetitive. I can't see many posters, whatever their political leanings, driving support of them.

No, it’s another of these threads where women who have voted Labour (or Green, or even LibDem) all their lives are expressing their desperation at having no one they can vote for now.

Unless I have a Communist or SDP candidate, which is very unlikely, I’ll have no one who will defend women’s and children’s rights.

Where are your links to support your assertion that

Starmer has been in approval of unregulated life-alterating medical experiments on children, and in favour of stripping women of the right to equality in the workplace and sports, and happy to put women at risk in prisons and changing rooms.

Does burden of proof only operate in one direction?

Oh, he’s been vocally challenging the government on this since before the Cass report l, has he?

Calling for only biological women to be allowed into women’s changing rooms and toilets and explicitly stating that trans women should not be in there?

He’s spoken out against the likes of Emily Bridger and Lia Thomas and made it clear that no biological men should be allowed to compete in women’s sports?

He’s been clear that only biological women should make it onto all-women Labour candidate lists?

He’s campaigned against puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for children, has he?

Please provide links to back up your assertions, because I’ve never seen him say or do anything of the sort. There have been lots of weasel words about ‘safe spaces’ rather than single sex spaces and claiming that some women have a penis(!), though.