To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

Well said

Well you’re not going to be happy with women speaking up are you?

For whatever reason you make it personal and insulting

I mean it’s irrelevant as you don’t know more than what you’ve created in your head about a random mner you have zero clue about, I can tell whenever you launch into inaccurate diatribes.

Whatever is driving your personally directed anger doesn’t actually have anything to do with me at all.

You have a very narrow view of "womens and children's rights" if you think that's the case.
I put some links upthread on what Labour propose to do about women's rights, there is far more than any other party.

Meanwhile various Conservative MPs are trying to restrict abortion in various ways.

I know which party I think is the biggest risk to womens rights.

@EasternStandard stick with the current lot if you want. Who really cares ? No one’s mind is ever changed on MN.
You give gender critical women a bad name because you also lap up and disseminate all the other right wing tosh that comes with the culture war. Some of us agree that people cannot change sex and that a trans women isn’t a woman but it doesn’t mean we think the tories are competent (or that labour are a million times better but we’ll give them a go).

Of course one might say the same about the lengths some posters go to, to shut down debate about Sunaks family. There is a lot more cause for concern there.

The self identification of Starmers child is irrelevant to anything. Maybe you should go and read up about the first trans MP and how well they have been supported by their party leader. Maybe there is a vested interest there.

‘Who knows’

Going by your posts aimed at me on various threads I’d say you don’t know much about that or anything more happily 🙌

On this though there seems to be a disconnect. Posters who have been saying stop or mn isn’t the place or whatever throughout haven’t helped.

Their approach would mean politicians wouldn’t change. Labour still had Self ID only last year. Many get angry, hurl insults or threaten but it’s women who have been clear about the harms of gender that have moved this forward.

As for the US in pp I see a good outcome in the U.K. ie the Cass Review and other. It’s pretty much outcomes women are focussing on that are happening.

Anneliese Dodds met with LGBA recently so hopefully that's progress!

I reckon we're going to get them at least weekly until the election finally arrives 😁
Give it up. As a woman I'll be voting Labour.

😂
Yes, the Tories are so fab for women, better stick with them 🙄
Not

Your call for proof is either wildly naive or a mendacious attempt to get out of providing your own proof, as you know full well that you can’t.

What’s your excuse?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

Most think the Cass report is good. Does that make up for the years of Tory shite nope. If you live in a nice mc bubble maybe you don’t see how the UK has
declined ? Who knows..

What do you think of the change that has already happened?

The Cass Review for example and the outcomes it’s effected or moving away from Self ID

Good or not?

This whole ‘do you know what a women is’ worked successfully in the US. Every right wing talk show host would scream it at Democrats. People voted Republican and the result was the end of Roe V Wade.

The right wing lobbyist employees on here know what they’re trying to do. It’s from the playbook but it won’t work.

Be concerned about it if you want, although without government backing it isn’t going to pass, so I’m not losing sleep yet. My point is I’m not sure why anyone thinks it’s a relevant response to people raising concerns about what an incoming Labour government (whose members have made many concerning statements on these issues will do). It feels a bit like an attempt to blow smoke in people’s eyes. A pretty unsuccessful one too 😂

This in spades every time.

Anyone who thinks that voting for a party decimating free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare, education, and local council funding forcing cuts to early years services, and coming for workers' rights, is better than Labour must be smoking something.

probably.
But what it needs is more people to emphasise how bad Labour is wrt women's rights - despite other relatively ok policies

They read MN, they should hear it as much as possible

This thread 🙄

Just this week alone:

I've been overwhelmed by a report on horrific birth experiences for women reminding me of my own. That's our NHS. Who's in charge?

Last night I watched a newsnight feature (that made me cry) on the fact that close to 90% of rape charges do not result in conviction. Our justice system. Who's in charge?

My daughter came home yesterday telling me that a twelve year old at her school is pregnant but the Tories want to ban sex education for youngsters. Our education system and our children. Who's in charge?

The school also sent home literature to discuss and share with my DD re dangers of sexting, and when thinking about how to discuss this and other consent issues with her, I realised I don't feel I can tell her to trust the police anymore. Our police services. Who's in charge?

But because a handful of desperate right wing nutters say the right thing on 'gender woo', the Tories are absolved of any responsibility for the overall fucking disgrace that women's rights are in.

I am GC too, but not to the point I'll turn a blind eye to stuff like the above. If the ONLY thing you care about is GC stuff, then you are not really concerned about "women's rights".

Furthermore, the one thing demonstrably true about the Tories are lies and self-serving corruption.

On the one hand all of the above, on the other, they supposedly care about women's rights?

I'm sorry, but NO. They're lying to you to get your votes. Just like they did with Brexit. If the opinion tide turned, so would they, to hell with science.

He comes across as a very muddled individual tbf.

Any bill or law on abortion that is so overwhelmingly supported by men from one political party is a relevant concern isn't it?

45 supporters - less than a quarter of whom are women.

39 of whom are Conservative & DUP
Only 3 Labour

@Chersfrozenface what’s your point ? All this gender ID and men in female prisons has happened under the conservatives here ? Only changed their tune when they realised they would be obliterated at the GE …

I suggest you take s look at Wales, where Labour have been in government since the beginning if devolution.

The Senedd, the Welsh Assembly as was, has just voted against accepting the Cass Report.

And do take a look at the Welsh Government's LGBTQ+ Action Plan for Wales.
https://www.gov.wales/lgbtq-action-plan-wales

It’s not a government bill, and it’s supported by Labour members too. I’m not sure why you think that mentioning it is relevant or helpful in the context of a discussion about concerns in relation to policy of the incoming Labour government.

I wonder if I might genuinely and respectfully ask - Are those posters who are unhappy with Labour's stance on this issue confident of how the Conservatives will deal with this matter in future, especially given reference to their performance in this area over the past 14 years? Things have become a real mess, obviously frightening so for some, and I would be interested to know how you feel the Conservatives will deal with this situation which clearly isn't going to disappear whichever party governs next.

Also to the same posters. Can I please ask are you satisfied with what the Conservatives have achieved for women and children over the same period? On balance do you think women and children are generally in a better position now than where we were in 2010? It seems to me that we clearly aren't and I find it hard to get over that in relation to a single issue. Does that issue outweigh the general situation and, if so, how?

Just eager to get an insight into the wider feelings of those for whom this subject is clearly a burning issue.

I suppose I'm primarily asking @Allthesea, @Marjoriefrobisher and @Greengablesfables because of your constant presence on the thread, but any other input would be really welcome.

Were you the poster that lashed out with ‘immigrant’ the other day. It fits with that diatribe in pp

@JerseyRoyals most of us think biology matters but also that the state of the UK is shite and the Tories throwing a few morsels of gender critical titbits means nothing and is just to save their skins. Did you even learn from Brexit ?