To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

Greengablesfables · 2024-05-16T16:58:50+00:00

Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

Rhoumblestiilliness · 07/09/2024 09:24

Meadowfinch · 16/05/2024 18:17

You're right OP.

I can't vote for them, they represent a genuine risk to women's rights, which is so sad.

This ^

BornToBeWokeFree · 07/09/2024 09:22

As people said on the news last night, the recent stiff sentencing had the desired effect of stopping the riots.

What does it say to domestic abusers then? What is the desired effect here of stopping the abuse with the light sentences?

Zonder · 07/09/2024 08:38

BornToBeWokeFree · 07/09/2024 08:25

So the Tories are setting all these violent men free to make room for the ones they jailed for shouting at police dogs, writing hurtful words on the internet or rolling bins into the police?

They wish they still had the power!

The current government are setting free some people not in for long sentences because the Tories didn't manage prisons well over 14 years and now it's all a mess. Even the Tories were planning to cut some sentences short to free up space in prisons.

But of course you knew all that.

As people said on the news last night, the recent stiff sentencing had the desired effect of stopping the riots.

GentlemanJohnny · 07/09/2024 08:28

ssd · 16/05/2024 18:15

Good try op. The tories are finished.

Agreed. You'd think they'd be more worried about fighting Reform than trying to take on Labour.

BornToBeWokeFree · 07/09/2024 08:25

So the Tories are setting all these violent men free to make room for the ones they jailed for shouting at police dogs, writing hurtful words on the internet or rolling bins into the police?

ilovesooty · 07/09/2024 08:04

Prisoners serving long sentences aren't being released under the scheme, which is necessary due to the strain on the prison service caused by the Tories' mishandling of the criminal justice system. Some of those serving shorter sentences who are being released on licence will unfortunately be domestic abusers.

Zonder · 07/09/2024 07:49

You know this was what the Tory party had planned to do? They started this.

DeCaray · 07/09/2024 07:41

Meadowfinch · 16/05/2024 18:17

You're right OP.

I can't vote for them, they represent a genuine risk to women's rights, which is so sad.

Keir Starmer to set free domestic abusers under Labour government's new early release scheme

Among the 1,700 set to walk free next Tuesday are a man who told his partner he was 'enjoying' attacking her and another who strangled his partner and broke her jaw, The Times reports.
Under Sir Keir's Starmer's new scheme, Connor Shaw will only serve 13 months of his prison sentence after subjecting his partner to years of mental and physical abuse.
He was originally sentenced 32 months behinds bars after breaking her jaw, strangling her, and threatening to throw acid in her face.

Another abuser who will be granted freedom after serving barely half of his prison sentence is Shane Riley.
The then 44-year-old said he was 'enjoying' assaulting his partner as he punched, kicked and headbutted the victim in her Soham home when broke off their relationship on June 8, 2020.

He was sentenced to 23 months for causing actual bodily harm, common assault, making threats to kill, and criminal damage. He will serve less than nine months.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 20/05/2024 14:48

BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 20:25

One of those links is about Mexican elections, ffs!

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On topic with the Tories /Labour erm......

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 20/05/2024 14:46

L1ttledrummergirl · 18/05/2024 19:56

Why all the spamming of crimes that have happened under the tories? Is it to show us that if we vote tory, this is what we get?

More of the same.

Yep, wondering the same!
They've been in power for 14 years.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 22:57

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 22:49

Why have you @me with a quote that is nothing to do with me?

I don't know what to say about your friend. MN has robust debate but also a good moderation policy. I don't think they would tolerate "aggression" from left wing posters. Maybe your friend should have used the report button, or maybe they perceive disagreement as aggression. Who knows.

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Sorry yes I wasn’t concentrating and tagged you incorrectly.

Aggression - It’s on a thread. I’ll have a look. See what you think

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BIossomtoes · 18/05/2024 22:51

More likely the latter.

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 22:49

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:05

@AdamRyan
‘Especially when so many invest time attacking, threatening or undermining’

Wow!! A friend of mine left MN because Labour supporters treated her with such aggression. She had enough. But you can ignore that I guess.

Why have you @me with a quote that is nothing to do with me?

I don't know what to say about your friend. MN has robust debate but also a good moderation policy. I don't think they would tolerate "aggression" from left wing posters. Maybe your friend should have used the report button, or maybe they perceive disagreement as aggression. Who knows.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 22:40

Applescruffle · 18/05/2024 20:38

Tbh he could murder a puppy live on TV and I'd probably still vote for him.
Anything but more tories.

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CrappySack · 18/05/2024 21:59

L1ttledrummergirl · 18/05/2024 19:56

Why all the spamming of crimes that have happened under the tories? Is it to show us that if we vote tory, this is what we get?

More of the same.

Yes, what is the point OP is trying to make. That the Tories have made life worse for women?

We already know that. Doubly so for those of us that are disabled and/or have children.

Churchview · 18/05/2024 21:54

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:52

The majority yanbu vote is interesting, imo some of the attacks do put some who might like to say why they’ve voted yanbu off

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Yes, I thought that. The vote result wasn't in line with the posting.

CrappySack · 18/05/2024 21:53

Churchview · 18/05/2024 20:30

It's not that we don't understand @Greengablesfables , it's the pinning of everything onto Labour. All of the UK incidents you've posted above have happened whilst Labour have been in opposition. It is not Labour causing the problem.

Other women do care deeply about women and children, their safety, opportunity and health. We care as much as you in different ways, sometimes in exactly the same way as you. A lot of us have faith in a lot of what we believe Keir Starmer's Labour will do for women in a wider sense and yet you never seem to hear that from us .

You are criticising other women when you deride people with left wing views.
Keeping the division, blaming one group of women, making us The Other isn't going to win the battle or our ears.

Is there another way?

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EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:52

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:24

@Churchview

Some of the most aggressive adversarial posts on here have been from people who are often Labour supporters. Especially when women’s rights have been raised. Sad but true. As I said above - a friend left MN because of her treatment by these people. . She’d had enough.

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The majority yanbu vote is interesting, imo some of the attacks do put some who might like to say why they’ve voted yanbu off

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:51

Christ. I’ve just seen this thread. That poor girl.

To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:47

Churchview · 18/05/2024 21:46

Such a shame your friend left OP. I nearly gave up on this thread yesterday and I saw other posters did so.

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It wasn’t this thread.

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Churchview · 18/05/2024 21:46

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:24

@Churchview

Some of the most aggressive adversarial posts on here have been from people who are often Labour supporters. Especially when women’s rights have been raised. Sad but true. As I said above - a friend left MN because of her treatment by these people. . She’d had enough.

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Such a shame your friend left OP. I nearly gave up on this thread yesterday and I saw other posters did so.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:27

Churchview · 18/05/2024 21:21

I completely agree with you that we owe so much to the strong, clever women who have spoken up (now and through history) and made change happen. More of that PLEASE! I think women are FUCKING BRILLIANT, we can do anything, we deserve the best and should bloody fight for it.

Where there is derision or mocking is, I believe it is a product of the adversarial nature of these threads from the outset. Right out of the traps it's all arch and insults and twisting words. If we could overcome that then we would really make headway.

I risk a ban for this - but will try to express myself honestly - Some of the posts and threads are so adversarial, so 'shutting down of opposite views' so insulting and relentless that I feel they must be the product of posters who are AI or some political bot/paid person in a room. (Please don't ban me MN - I like it on here!)

If we stopped doing that, talked like we were in a room drinking tea with people whose help we need and who we wish to help - then we might get the best result. It would also be easier to spot the bots and report them.

Shoot me - I'm a hippy. Even worse I'm a lefty hippy.* *But I am a woman, a feminist and I want all women now and who come after me to have it better.

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I don’t mind these threads. Obviously as I post on them not in a I’m uninterested and will post way but because this topic matters to me

A while back Mnhq would shift all threads and now some stay. I’m happy with that. Others won’t be but I’m more about seeing change than upset AIBU watchers. I don’t think anyone is AI or bot or whatever but it is used by some to attack unfortunately.

I’ll agree on a happy note, women are brilliant. I’m grateful. I want my dd to have less gender ideology around her as she grows up.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:24

@Churchview

Some of the most aggressive adversarial posts on here have been from people who are often Labour supporters. Especially when women’s rights have been raised. Sad but true. As I said above - a friend left MN because of her treatment by these people. . She’d had enough.

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Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 21:22

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:00

I don’t think anyone vote switches so I’m not interested in voting intention but I do think there’s a disconnect between what has been achieved and is now appreciated and the derision shown on many of these threads

So I’d start with the basic premise that whatever politicians do is down to women who have spoken up and changed things. Some at great personal cost.

I’d prefer that to be acknowledged than most of the mocking / derision you see. I am grateful to each of those women. Especially when so many invest time attacking, threatening or undermining.

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Oh it was you, talking about posters on here!! Well that makes sense. Agreed ..

(I’m watching Elvis’s 68 comeback special on BBC2. Was distracted…)

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Churchview · 18/05/2024 21:21

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:00

I don’t think anyone vote switches so I’m not interested in voting intention but I do think there’s a disconnect between what has been achieved and is now appreciated and the derision shown on many of these threads

So I’d start with the basic premise that whatever politicians do is down to women who have spoken up and changed things. Some at great personal cost.

I’d prefer that to be acknowledged than most of the mocking / derision you see. I am grateful to each of those women. Especially when so many invest time attacking, threatening or undermining.

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I completely agree with you that we owe so much to the strong, clever women who have spoken up (now and through history) and made change happen. More of that PLEASE! I think women are FUCKING BRILLIANT, we can do anything, we deserve the best and should bloody fight for it.

Where there is derision or mocking is, I believe it is a product of the adversarial nature of these threads from the outset. Right out of the traps it's all arch and insults and twisting words. If we could overcome that then we would really make headway.

I risk a ban for this - but will try to express myself honestly - Some of the posts and threads are so adversarial, so 'shutting down of opposite views' so insulting and relentless that I feel they must be the product of posters who are AI or some political bot/paid person in a room. (Please don't ban me MN - I like it on here!)

If we stopped doing that, talked like we were in a room drinking tea with people whose help we need and who we wish to help - then we might get the best result. It would also be easier to spot the bots and report them.

Shoot me - I'm a hippy. Even worse I'm a lefty hippy.* *But I am a woman, a feminist and I want all women now and who come after me to have it better.