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How much meat do you eat?

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lanya · 16/05/2024 16:01

Recently I've noticed in my circles that pretty much everyone is cutting back on meat due to environmental/ climate reasons.

Most people I know aren't vegetarian, but are more aware/ more careful about the amount they eat, e.g. only once or twice per week.

I am wondering whether this is the case generally across the UK, or if most people are carrying on as normal?

YABU: We are eating the same amount of meat as we always have.
YANBU: We have reduced our meat intake over the last few years for climate reasons.

Disclaimer: This isn't any kind of brag or meant to be condescending - I'm just curious.

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ITsExpected · 16/05/2024 17:44

Well, I'm not going to sugar coat this. I love meat! Nobody is perfect, and very few people don't contradict themselves somewhere when it comes to the environment, dietary choices etc.

I tend to eat lean meat like chicken and turkey. I do sometimes have lean beef and pork/bacon/better quality sausages etc. I like the least fat possible options, cut the rinds off bacon before cooking etc. This is personal taste though.

I also eat a bazillion vegetables, and enjoy a varied diet.

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 17:43

Would love to grow my own veg.

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 17:42

I recycle a lot and wish I could do gardening unfortunately don't have one

familyissues12345 · 16/05/2024 17:41

Zero - I've been vegetarian for about 30 years

DH and DS's eat meat most days. DS2 will occasionally eat veggie/vegan with me

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 17:40

lanya · 16/05/2024 17:30

Well no one can force you and that's OK.

Some people aren't able to change, for whatever reason. Some just don't want to, and their own diet and preferences are more important to them than wider issues. That's OK. We're all human and none of us are saints. I do loads of things that are probably terrible for the environment. Most of us do. That's modern life for you.

What I would say though, gently, is that if you currently don't actually know a lot about the impact of meat, it might be interesting for you to look it up, and get that knowledge, so that you do understand what goes into making your steak.

I don't mean videos like the provocative animal cruelty one posted above - I mean just googling about the CO2 emissions of beef, for example.

I found it quite eye opening and once you know, then at least you know you've made an informed decision. Maybe you would do more in other areas that might make up for it like doing more recycling or sustainable gardening something, I don't know.

Anyway, best wishes to you - enjoy your steak :)

I already know about all that and well informed in farming.

Lucia573 · 16/05/2024 17:39

We eat meat rarely at home. I sometimes choose it in restaurants. Mixture of environmental and health concerns.

lanya · 16/05/2024 17:39

TonTonMacoute · 16/05/2024 17:35

You cannot ascribe all the CO2 emissions from the livestock industry to meat though. You have to take into account all the byproducts, and think about the emissions that would arise if we had to manufacture those instead. Vegan leather being a case in point.
The difference to emissions might not be that much, and this should be taken into account.

I think it's fairly common knowledge that CO2 emissions from the meat industry are substantial and the more that people reduce their intake of meat and dairy products, the better.

If you feel I am wrong about this I'd be very open to reading any research or articles from reliable sources.

I don't believe that the production of vegan leather is enough of a reason to justify continuing to eat a lot of meat.

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MotherOfCatBoy · 16/05/2024 17:39

Vegan leather, God help us all, is the bastard love child of the car and plastics industry; the plastic being a by product of oil. We can do without that too!
Car seats, shoes, etc can be made from fabric such as cotton, hemp, bamboo etc, or even recycled and reclaimed plastic (many manufacturers are doing this already). We don’t need animals for it!

DinnaeFashYersel · 16/05/2024 17:36

We eat meat 2-3 times a week.

DH is vegetarian so its easier to eat mostly vegetarian. But I like meat so we don't abstain.

TonTonMacoute · 16/05/2024 17:35

lanya · 16/05/2024 17:30

Well no one can force you and that's OK.

Some people aren't able to change, for whatever reason. Some just don't want to, and their own diet and preferences are more important to them than wider issues. That's OK. We're all human and none of us are saints. I do loads of things that are probably terrible for the environment. Most of us do. That's modern life for you.

What I would say though, gently, is that if you currently don't actually know a lot about the impact of meat, it might be interesting for you to look it up, and get that knowledge, so that you do understand what goes into making your steak.

I don't mean videos like the provocative animal cruelty one posted above - I mean just googling about the CO2 emissions of beef, for example.

I found it quite eye opening and once you know, then at least you know you've made an informed decision. Maybe you would do more in other areas that might make up for it like doing more recycling or sustainable gardening something, I don't know.

Anyway, best wishes to you - enjoy your steak :)

You cannot ascribe all the CO2 emissions from the livestock industry to meat though. You have to take into account all the byproducts, and think about the emissions that would arise if we had to manufacture those instead. Vegan leather being a case in point.
The difference to emissions might not be that much, and this should be taken into account.

AlltheFs · 16/05/2024 17:35

We have only reduced the frequency of roasts. So we don’t have those weekly and have something cheaper.
But DD is a meat fiend and it features heavily here.
We are having more mince and sausages and fewer chicken breasts I guess but not hugely.

As early adopters of fully electric cars (since 2015), we also seldom fly and have a house with air source heating and generate own power. One child. We do enough.

CortieTat · 16/05/2024 17:33

Forgot to add that I never eat meat when I eat out or travel. I would not touch meat produced in the UK with a barge pole, for example, because of the local regulations that allow for slaughter without stunning. As an average consumer I have no way to find out how the animal was killed so I just don’t eat meat unless it’s from “our” farmers.

SocksAndTheCity · 16/05/2024 17:32

I eat whatever I like just as I always have, including meat, fish and dairy.

I don't drive, fly or have children, so my contribution to planet saving likely evens out pretty well.

lanya · 16/05/2024 17:30

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 17:21

Thanks. I won't ever change tho. I enjoy meat and salad. Will continue to enjoy it

Well no one can force you and that's OK.

Some people aren't able to change, for whatever reason. Some just don't want to, and their own diet and preferences are more important to them than wider issues. That's OK. We're all human and none of us are saints. I do loads of things that are probably terrible for the environment. Most of us do. That's modern life for you.

What I would say though, gently, is that if you currently don't actually know a lot about the impact of meat, it might be interesting for you to look it up, and get that knowledge, so that you do understand what goes into making your steak.

I don't mean videos like the provocative animal cruelty one posted above - I mean just googling about the CO2 emissions of beef, for example.

I found it quite eye opening and once you know, then at least you know you've made an informed decision. Maybe you would do more in other areas that might make up for it like doing more recycling or sustainable gardening something, I don't know.

Anyway, best wishes to you - enjoy your steak :)

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midgetastic · 16/05/2024 17:30

@catlady7 forgive me for answering the question asked

MotherOfCatBoy · 16/05/2024 17:29

Protein: rice & beans; chickpeas; hummus; yoghurt; nuts; nut butters; cheese; legumes…
Vitamins, calcium etc: dark leafy vegetables in general, eating a varied diet, plus a multi vitamin esp in the winter for vit D

A lot of plants worldwide, including the majority of soy, is grown to feed animals. It’s totally inefficient. If we wanted to feed 8b people we could, simply by cutting the animals out of the food chain. Those of you buying local meat, I applaud your intentions, but there isn’t enough land for all meat to be raised this way and for everyone to eat the quantity of meat society does now. The only way that is sustainable is fewer people, fewer meat meals, and fewer animals - which is how it used to be in the past before big ag conglomerates. Therefore reducing meat consumption goes hand in hand with local and sustainable - it’s a treat, not an everyday food. Remember your local meat has probably had supplementary feeding using plants grown abroad - certainly the case for beef and chicken (probably less for upland sheep). Reducing is the only way to go if we want less carbon, more wildlife, less chicken shit in our rivers, and fewer antibiotics driving resistance to bugs.

WishIMite · 16/05/2024 17:28

I think there's a real tension between "REDUCE CARBS!" which is what everyone on MN says re. diet, and also "REDUCE MEAT!" which is also what everyone claims.

Feck knows how I could reduce carbs AND reduce meat. I'd be gnawing on kale and sad.

mitogoshi · 16/05/2024 17:28

@ToBeOrNotToBee

Hear hear

I was told similarly by my dietician. I struggle to metabolise iron from vegetable sources in my case and animal protein is easier to digest, I find too much fibre causes me issues. I'm personally at ease buying food from local farmers rather than the food miles of some non meat based foods

OneLemonOrca · 16/05/2024 17:25

I actually eat more meat I have some everyday because I feel healthier when I do

mitogoshi · 16/05/2024 17:24

Eat meat most days, I do make some vegetarian dishes but unless DDs are visiting (who are vegetarian) it's not a deliberate thing, just some things I cook do not contain meat. I often have (I know it's bad) cured meat in sandwiches for lunch

banhmi · 16/05/2024 17:24

We have reduced meat to roughly once a week for both climate and health reasons. We now only eat high-quality meat from our local butcher. If I lived by myself I would probably be 100% veggie but DH and the kids still really enjoy some meat in their diet.

CortieTat · 16/05/2024 17:24

Third option, ethical reasons - we only eat meat bought directly from local farms that we visit in person and get to see the animals. We buy a 30 kg box of portioned beef (various pieces including the so-called subprime beef so it requires cooking skills) or lamb/mutton. The animals we eat graze outside all year round with free access to a winter shelter and they also live for several winters before slaughter.

We eat meat 3 times a week for dinner and buying directly saved us a fortune. This might sound like a posh option but we actually pay less per kilo of much better meat than we would get from a supermarket plus all the money goes directly to the farmers.

Climate reasons are important but grazing animals are also key to biodiversity which in turn is key to pollinators. “Our” farmers even rent some of their animals to graze in nature reserves to preserve the ecosystem which would otherwise turn into a forest.

VolvoFan · 16/05/2024 17:23

Every day. It's healthier.

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 17:22

midgetastic · 16/05/2024 17:19

Another question that's probably best answered through google

Uk meat consumption per head is the lowest it's been since records began in 1974 and about 1/3 down from peak

Maybe but not by world percentage. More people are meat eaters than non meat eaters.

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 17:21

lanya · 16/05/2024 17:20

@catlady7 Guilt/ judgement is never an effective motivator for change, that's for sure. All the best to you.

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Thanks. I won't ever change tho. I enjoy meat and salad. Will continue to enjoy it

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