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Is he paying enough?

207 replies

Havett · 16/05/2024 15:15

Ex earns over double what I earn. He’s on 85k.

Cms calculates this as 860 a month. He pays 1,000. Nursery is 1,200.

I feel like he should pay more given his high salary. I know legally cms says 860 and he’s already paying more. But he does zero for dd. Literally nothing. Would you ask for more given he’s earning so much

OP posts:
HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:42

JustSaltPlease · 17/05/2024 19:14

Tbf why should he pay childcare?

Er... because he is her parent?

Londonscallingme · 17/05/2024 20:38

sleepyscientist · 17/05/2024 18:45

So if he has no contact I'm going to guess he didn't want DD.

You chose to continue the pregnancy and he already contributes more than he is legally required to (which in my eyes should be nothing if he said no before 24weeks).

If it was my son I would advise him to pay the legal minimum to you and put the other £330 into an account in DD name for when she turns 18 and offer for her to come live with him away from you as it doesn't sound like you would be someone he could co parent with.

He can say ‘no’ by not having unprotected sex. I presume this woman didn’t rape him or steal his sperm.

Londonscallingme · 17/05/2024 20:33

Ihopeithinkiknow · 17/05/2024 19:31

I love how you have made most of that up in your head and ran with it as if it's a fact lol.

Classic MN tactic. It’s like a dream world in here sometimes.

Havett · 17/05/2024 20:33

Blushingm · 17/05/2024 20:30

@Havett

crumbpet well I’m doing 100% of the care so should I be paying for that as well as doing it?

Ummmmm she's at nursery so you're not doing 100% of the care are you?

He's paying more than he legally has to - he sounds quite reasonable in that respect.

@Blushingm true but im doing 100% of carr outside of nursery. And during nursery I work, as does he. So it’s not remotely close to equal is it?

OP posts:
HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:32

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 20:24

Actually he is paying above the fixed amount.

I am in no way defending the ex because I think it’s shocking to not see his own child,
but I think OP is misdirecting the issue here
and that is the point I was trying to make.

They are both valid issues and she can raise both.

Blushingm · 17/05/2024 20:30

@Havett

crumbpet well I’m doing 100% of the care so should I be paying for that as well as doing it?

Ummmmm she's at nursery so you're not doing 100% of the care are you?

He's paying more than he legally has to - he sounds quite reasonable in that respect.

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 20:24

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 19:54

Sorry that doesn't make any sense.
She is asking a question about money... therefore she doesn't care if DC has a relationship with her dad...
The two things are not linked.

Entitled is an interesting word anyway, the ex pays a fixed amount of maintenance regardless of what that does or does not cover, and that's his duties as a parent discharged.

OP has to cover outgoings on everything her child needs, nobody is capping that contribution for her, she has to find the money when prices rise etc.

She is not in any way stopping the x from having a good relationship with his child, he's doing that all by himself.

Actually he is paying above the fixed amount.

I am in no way defending the ex because I think it’s shocking to not see his own child,
but I think OP is misdirecting the issue here
and that is the point I was trying to make.

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 20:22

Dweetfidilove · 17/05/2024 19:45

You’re right. The focus is entirely wrong.

Giving OP the benefit of the doubt, I think she’s latched onto the CM as she feels powerless where contact is concerned.

It’s awful though, as the child deserves a father as much as he/she deserves his financial support. It’s piss poor behaviour just throwing money at the’issue’ .

Thank you for understanding my point and yes you are probably right there.

I feel sad for the DC to be honest.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 19:54

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 19:40

He already does contribute. More than he needs to, but OP has started a thread about how she wants extra money that she isn’t entitled to.

They are related because OP thinks she should get more money because her ex doesn’t see their child. I think it’s a very sad way of thinking personally and doesn’t actually help the child.

Sorry that doesn't make any sense.
She is asking a question about money... therefore she doesn't care if DC has a relationship with her dad...
The two things are not linked.

Entitled is an interesting word anyway, the ex pays a fixed amount of maintenance regardless of what that does or does not cover, and that's his duties as a parent discharged.

OP has to cover outgoings on everything her child needs, nobody is capping that contribution for her, she has to find the money when prices rise etc.

She is not in any way stopping the x from having a good relationship with his child, he's doing that all by himself.

Dweetfidilove · 17/05/2024 19:45

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 18:26

My point was it’s quite telling that OP has started a thread whingeing that she only gets £1000 a month from her ex and seems to think she should get more - even though he’s actually paying above CMS!

I would have thought the bigger concern here is that her DC is growing up without contact with their Dad and how that is going to effect her life, not seeing how much extra money she can get out of him.

Of course she can’t make him see his child but that doesn’t seem to be OPs main concern here hence the thread being about money….no amount of money is going to make up for not having a Dad and it comes across grabby.

You’re right. The focus is entirely wrong.

Giving OP the benefit of the doubt, I think she’s latched onto the CM as she feels powerless where contact is concerned.

It’s awful though, as the child deserves a father as much as he/she deserves his financial support. It’s piss poor behaviour just throwing money at the’issue’ .

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 19:40

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 19:21

Her wanting him to contribute towards the fixed parenting costs equates to her not caring if DC has a relationship with their dad?
How are those two things related?

He already does contribute. More than he needs to, but OP has started a thread about how she wants extra money that she isn’t entitled to.

They are related because OP thinks she should get more money because her ex doesn’t see their child. I think it’s a very sad way of thinking personally and doesn’t actually help the child.

Ihopeithinkiknow · 17/05/2024 19:31

sleepyscientist · 17/05/2024 18:45

So if he has no contact I'm going to guess he didn't want DD.

You chose to continue the pregnancy and he already contributes more than he is legally required to (which in my eyes should be nothing if he said no before 24weeks).

If it was my son I would advise him to pay the legal minimum to you and put the other £330 into an account in DD name for when she turns 18 and offer for her to come live with him away from you as it doesn't sound like you would be someone he could co parent with.

I love how you have made most of that up in your head and ran with it as if it's a fact lol.

Wakeywake · 17/05/2024 19:25

If you're on 46k, he's taking home £1k/month more than you (assuming a modest 5% pension), nowhere near double. He's paying his half of nursery costs and £400 on top of that, which is more than enough for a small child. I don't understand on what grounds you expect him to pay more.

Taishan · 17/05/2024 19:24

Be happy with the £1000
You could end up with much less.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 19:24

Samlewis96 · 16/05/2024 16:53

So how are you looking after her full time AND paying £1200 nursery fees? So he pays £1000 which is his half. So if your half is also £1k that's £800 after nursery fees per month . Surely that's enough for child expenses?

Clearly 'its hard' means she means her work hours are restricted by childcare timings, she does all the parent work like cooking, shopping, laundry, entertaining LO and ex is not restricted in this way. It is therefore harder for her than him to increase her income, because she can't be available for long, unpredictable hours etc.

Beezknees · 17/05/2024 19:21

Eggplant44 · 17/05/2024 18:44

Dare I ask - was the father involved in the planning of your child?

When he chose to have sex without using protection, yes he was.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 19:21

PixieLaLar · 16/05/2024 15:46

YABVU
Sounds like you’re more bothered about how much extra money you can get out of him rather than DD having more time and a better relationship with her Dad.

Her wanting him to contribute towards the fixed parenting costs equates to her not caring if DC has a relationship with their dad?
How are those two things related?

Havett · 17/05/2024 19:21

QueenOfTheLabyrinth · 17/05/2024 19:18

Nursery cost: £1200 x 12 = £14,400 pa

Maintenance: £1000 x 12 = £12,000 pa

Tax Free Childcare: £500 x 4 = £2000 pa

Amount left: £400 pa or £33.34 pm

If that’s how you feel OP, just ask him for the £33.43 extra per month.

@QueenOfTheLabyrinth its not just childcare it’s the overall cost, clothes, furniture etc etc

OP posts:
Beezknees · 17/05/2024 19:19

sleepyscientist · 17/05/2024 18:45

So if he has no contact I'm going to guess he didn't want DD.

You chose to continue the pregnancy and he already contributes more than he is legally required to (which in my eyes should be nothing if he said no before 24weeks).

If it was my son I would advise him to pay the legal minimum to you and put the other £330 into an account in DD name for when she turns 18 and offer for her to come live with him away from you as it doesn't sound like you would be someone he could co parent with.

If he didn't want a child maybe he should have worn a condom then, or does your infantalisation of men mean you think they should not be expected to be responsible for contraception?

Also, why the hell would a child want to go and live with a parent who didn't want anything to do with them while they were growing up? Are you dense?

QueenOfTheLabyrinth · 17/05/2024 19:18

Havett · 17/05/2024 17:06

@crumbpet i do feel like that as I do all childcare outside of nursery while he does zero and can further his career etc

Nursery cost: £1200 x 12 = £14,400 pa

Maintenance: £1000 x 12 = £12,000 pa

Tax Free Childcare: £500 x 4 = £2000 pa

Amount left: £400 pa or £33.34 pm

If that’s how you feel OP, just ask him for the £33.43 extra per month.

Havett · 17/05/2024 19:16

JustSaltPlease · 17/05/2024 19:14

Tbf why should he pay childcare?

@JustSaltPlease well he’s expecting me to do 100% of care, so instead of doing his bit practically he could pay for childcare instead? Or should the woman just crack on with zero break?

OP posts:
Whatsmyusername1235 · 17/05/2024 19:15

sleepyscientist · 17/05/2024 18:45

So if he has no contact I'm going to guess he didn't want DD.

You chose to continue the pregnancy and he already contributes more than he is legally required to (which in my eyes should be nothing if he said no before 24weeks).

If it was my son I would advise him to pay the legal minimum to you and put the other £330 into an account in DD name for when she turns 18 and offer for her to come live with him away from you as it doesn't sound like you would be someone he could co parent with.

This

JustSaltPlease · 17/05/2024 19:14

Tbf why should he pay childcare?

StormingNorman · 17/05/2024 19:05

sleepyscientist · 17/05/2024 18:45

So if he has no contact I'm going to guess he didn't want DD.

You chose to continue the pregnancy and he already contributes more than he is legally required to (which in my eyes should be nothing if he said no before 24weeks).

If it was my son I would advise him to pay the legal minimum to you and put the other £330 into an account in DD name for when she turns 18 and offer for her to come live with him away from you as it doesn't sound like you would be someone he could co parent with.

Fuck my life! What have I just read?!?

Iaskedyouthrice · 17/05/2024 18:59

Havett · 17/05/2024 18:51

@Iaskedyouthrice i know… I think @sleepyscientist may also be a deadbeat ;)

I think too many people excuse men who want nothing to do with their children. My nephew is 19, his ex fell pregnant because HE chose not to wear a condom and he's bloody stepped up and is an awesome dad. I can't imagine his mother or father advising him like sleepyscientist would. He was told to get a grip and crack on.
Unfortunately, too many people around these types of men are all too happy to pander to them and go along with the notion that the ex is just after his money.
Nothing is expected of them really and they are hero's if they pay.

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