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Is he paying enough?

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Havett · 16/05/2024 15:15

Ex earns over double what I earn. He’s on 85k.

Cms calculates this as 860 a month. He pays 1,000. Nursery is 1,200.

I feel like he should pay more given his high salary. I know legally cms says 860 and he’s already paying more. But he does zero for dd. Literally nothing. Would you ask for more given he’s earning so much

OP posts:
earther · 17/05/2024 23:30

I know its hard raising kids but i cant help think you just want money sorry op i have to be honest.
A grand a month and still want more co-mon.
I read up thread that you said the cost of furniture as well you need to pay for that.
Its like you want him to pay for the whole upbringing so you can bank your money live in luxury with his it dont work like that.

StormingNorman · 17/05/2024 23:30

ZestofCoffee · 17/05/2024 23:12

That’s a really shitty comparison and neither deserves judgment. Many women are carrying the load and not getting a break - it’s hard whatever the set up.

I’m not judging either. I’m judging the hypocrisy.

StormingNorman · 17/05/2024 23:29

childlessandfree · 17/05/2024 23:19

I know someone that got £5 a week CM.
You are very lucky but if you keep asking for more you may end up with less.
Happened to my sister enough was never enough so he paid a lot less through cm.
I also know a man that stopped paying his ex and started saving in an account for his child she went from 800 a month to £35 a week cm she was not happy.
The money she was getting was not all going on his child she was spending it on her self.
But his son will have a lovely gift when hes 18.
He also pays for clubs etc direct to the clubs so money is handed over.

Edited

Hopefully the son will have the emotional intelligence to realise that gift comes from both his parents as we all know you can’t feed, house, clothe and educate a child on £70 a week.

Hopefully the gift will also be lovely enough to make up for all the fun extras he missed out on during an unnecessarily frugal childhood.

I don’t think this petty bullshit helps the child at all and I’m surprised another woman would be so supportive of this behaviour.

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 17/05/2024 23:22

Havett · 16/05/2024 18:53

@ZestofCoffee its pretty low to make a woman go through cms to receive money towards the upbringing of a child. Which is what your post suggested.

Don't do that. Clearly the ex started the claim to try and get the additional money from the fabricated income.

Sorry you feel hard done by but don't take it out on others.

childlessandfree · 17/05/2024 23:19

I know someone that got £5 a week CM.
You are very lucky but if you keep asking for more you may end up with less.
Happened to my sister enough was never enough so he paid a lot less through cm.
I also know a man that stopped paying his ex and started saving in an account for his child she went from 800 a month to £35 a week cm she was not happy.
The money she was getting was not all going on his child she was spending it on her self.
But his son will have a lovely gift when hes 18.
He also pays for clubs etc direct to the clubs so money is handed over.

Whatsmyusername1235 · 17/05/2024 23:16

really hope he doesn’t have any more children because you will be getting a lot less than the £1000 you’re not happy with.

ZestofCoffee · 17/05/2024 23:12

StormingNorman · 17/05/2024 22:14

The pile on at OP or any parent for wanting to be rewarded for caring for their child is just breathtaking.

In another 10 minutes, a SAHM will be along with a thread and MN will be wanging on about family pots, getting DH to pay her pension contributions, equal access to money, dad’s turn to take over childcare when he gets home.

Why the difference? A SAHM is basically being paid by her partner to care for the kids and gets a break. Yet OP has be grateful for whatever she’s given and gets no credit for doing all the work.

That’s a really shitty comparison and neither deserves judgment. Many women are carrying the load and not getting a break - it’s hard whatever the set up.

SD1978 · 17/05/2024 22:49

I understand your frustration, but your choice is accept the £1000 or it drops to £860. There is nothing you can do.

Beezknees · 17/05/2024 22:20

crumbpet · 17/05/2024 21:28

You don't have zero break. You have child care. Take a day off.

Of course it's zero break. OP will be WORKING while her child is at childcare. Taking the odd day off barely makes a difference. Are you a lone parent?

StormingNorman · 17/05/2024 22:14

The pile on at OP or any parent for wanting to be rewarded for caring for their child is just breathtaking.

In another 10 minutes, a SAHM will be along with a thread and MN will be wanging on about family pots, getting DH to pay her pension contributions, equal access to money, dad’s turn to take over childcare when he gets home.

Why the difference? A SAHM is basically being paid by her partner to care for the kids and gets a break. Yet OP has be grateful for whatever she’s given and gets no credit for doing all the work.

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 17/05/2024 22:14

crumbpet · 17/05/2024 21:27

And? She doesn't have to. He can walk away so can she if she resents her child that much.

Oh for goodness sake! She doesn’t resent her child, she clearly resents the man for walking away. He is the one who resents the child or he’d see his own child.

Mintchocco · 17/05/2024 21:44

OP I can hear your anger and I agree with you - it's not fair that some parents (mostly men) are able to create a child and walk away.

Then be hailed as kings if they at least provide a bit of support financially, whereas you do everything, all the mental load, all the day to day care and get no praise whatsoever and if you dare complain or god forbid, ask for a bit more help in whatever way you can, you are slated.

I really do get it and society really sucks with a lot of peoples mindsets to this kind of situation.

I'm sorry you ended up with a deadbeat as your child's father. I hope you are able to eventually find peace with it.

zimmericious · 17/05/2024 21:38

This thread has become a pile on and I think the OP would be well advised to step away

Havett · 17/05/2024 21:34

crumbpet · 17/05/2024 21:31

He's not paying you to care for her! That's ridiculous. You aren't an employee.

@crumbpet no he’s not. That’s exactly my point. He should be. If he had care of his daughter 24/7 he’d have to pay for childcare to get a break. Instead he uses me… for free.

OP posts:
crumbpet · 17/05/2024 21:31

Havett · 17/05/2024 20:33

@Blushingm true but im doing 100% of carr outside of nursery. And during nursery I work, as does he. So it’s not remotely close to equal is it?

He's not paying you to care for her! That's ridiculous. You aren't an employee.

crumbpet · 17/05/2024 21:28

Havett · 17/05/2024 19:16

@JustSaltPlease well he’s expecting me to do 100% of care, so instead of doing his bit practically he could pay for childcare instead? Or should the woman just crack on with zero break?

You don't have zero break. You have child care. Take a day off.

crumbpet · 17/05/2024 21:27

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 17/05/2024 18:54

He expects her to solely parent their whole child!

And? She doesn't have to. He can walk away so can she if she resents her child that much.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 21:25

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 21:01

Well personally I hate this mentality that throwing money at the situation will somehow make up for the DC not have a Dad in their life.

OP has not said once they actually need the money or is struggling financially, just that they think they should have more and I think that is pretty off when they already get above CMS.

But each to their own…….

It isn't 'throwing money' it's relieving some if the financial pressure seeing as he does not take his fair share of pressure elsewhere.

The additional money can relieve some of the disproportionate stress on OP... meal deliveries, activities to keep DC entertained without having to do it on a shoestring, getting decorators in instead of DIY, having a cleaner etc. It helps balance out the unfair workload of parenting on her.

Mintchocco · 17/05/2024 21:08

How are some people on here giving props to a man who has nothing to do with own child? Because he is paying a bit more than CMS (notoriously crap btw) have deemed this man should pay...what a true prince among men.

Raise the bar, for fuck sake.

OP, I think there is no harm in asking. If he drops the money down because of this, it seems he would of probably done that anyway at some point if you pissed him off.

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 21:01

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:49

I don't think she's complaining (whingeing is such a rude choice of word).

The point is that raising their joint child is having a higher impact on her financially, physical and mental resources than his.

I hate this mentality that it's basically a woman's job to do this and if dad throws her a (much smaller percentage of his income than she will be using of hers) towards the upbringing of their joint child she should be grovelingly grateful.

Well personally I hate this mentality that throwing money at the situation will somehow make up for the DC not have a Dad in their life.

OP has not said once they actually need the money or is struggling financially, just that they think they should have more and I think that is pretty off when they already get above CMS.

But each to their own…….

CharSiu · 17/05/2024 20:53

I know someone that had this scenario. He then paid just the required amount through CMS. So she lost money overall.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:52

crumbpet · 17/05/2024 17:15

Oh come on don't be ridiculous. You wanted your child presumably? I understand expecting some contribution but you're expecting him to fund your whole child!

The OP has confirmed that they both planned and wanted their child.
Would it be ok now if she just made 'some contribution' because they have split.
Their DC would be removed and put in care if she behaved like he is. And people would definitely not be defending her, saying 'ah but she did at least pay some money'.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:49

PixieLaLar · 17/05/2024 18:26

My point was it’s quite telling that OP has started a thread whingeing that she only gets £1000 a month from her ex and seems to think she should get more - even though he’s actually paying above CMS!

I would have thought the bigger concern here is that her DC is growing up without contact with their Dad and how that is going to effect her life, not seeing how much extra money she can get out of him.

Of course she can’t make him see his child but that doesn’t seem to be OPs main concern here hence the thread being about money….no amount of money is going to make up for not having a Dad and it comes across grabby.

I don't think she's complaining (whingeing is such a rude choice of word).

The point is that raising their joint child is having a higher impact on her financially, physical and mental resources than his.

I hate this mentality that it's basically a woman's job to do this and if dad throws her a (much smaller percentage of his income than she will be using of hers) towards the upbringing of their joint child she should be grovelingly grateful.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:45

crumbpet · 16/05/2024 20:26

What does she pay ?

Between housing, feeding, heating, clothing and entertaining her child... A hell of a lot more than that!

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 17/05/2024 20:44

Blushingm · 17/05/2024 20:30

@Havett

crumbpet well I’m doing 100% of the care so should I be paying for that as well as doing it?

Ummmmm she's at nursery so you're not doing 100% of the care are you?

He's paying more than he legally has to - he sounds quite reasonable in that respect.

Of course she is, nursery is not the equivalent of being a stay at home parent, nursery aren't doing housework, shopping, cooking, life admin, night wakes etc. she is the person who has to deal with sickness etc 100%.
What a silly comment.

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