To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

@Alltheprettyseahorses I said the Israelis I know aren’t Middle Eastern.

The Middle Eastern Jews I know are Iranians NOT Israelis. Iran is not Israel is it.

what on earth are you banging on about??

Thats not true, Hamas attacked and Israel is still being bombed by hamas and Hezbollah, the north of the country has been evacuated. Hamas bombed the Rafah crossing the other day beofre Israel took control of it.

God knows I think Israel needs to stop and Netanyahu and Hamas have to go but it’s no good pretending that Hamas and Hezbollah don’t exist and they aren’t engaged in war.

You really do need to understand that SM will feed you more of what you want to read, not unbiased info.

You said this:

The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis

Iran is not in Europe

@Alltheprettyseahorses sorry what? Downplaying Middle Eastern Jews how?
I said the ones I know are not Israelis. They are Iranian not Israeli.

Hamas is the elected government of Palestine is it not? And the initial mass terrorist attack was committed by Palestinian people.

Just to address one of your points. You do know that this Israel is a brand spanking new one created in 1948 don’t you? I don’t know if you know that. It seems you Dont.
The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis. All the Palestinians I know are Middle Eastern funnily enough. As was everyone before them.

This is absolutely spectacular in its ignorance and your hubris is almost impressive. You really need to learn the basics. This Guardian article from yesterday will help you a lot. It's short and easy to read. (And btw, only 10% of Israeli's have dual citizenship).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/15/israelis-go-back-to-europe-slogan

Every single country puts out propaganda. You can believe the very exact casualty claims if you like (adult men being proportionately the lowest claimed bears detailed investigation on many levels for a start), myself, I'm glad newer stats seem to show they're much lower.

Downplaying the existence of middle Eastern Jews. That's a new one.

There are many new countries. Jordan for example, or Lebanon. Both the same age as Irael, give or take a couple of years. There have been 34 new countries in the last 40 years. Keepjng it fairly local, look at the difference in Europe between maps in 1985 and 1995, 1935 and 1950 or 1900 and 1920. Do we get rid of all 'new' countries and go back to how the world looked in 1900 or any arbitrary date preferred or is just Israel that's a problem? Incidentally, there would be no Palestine then either, just the Ottoman Empire.

Palestine did not start a war against Israel, Hamas did.

There is Israeli propaganda. It's called Hasbara and it exists long before October 7th.
And the UN largely agree with the death casualty figures just need to verify the identified (because you know many of them didn't have even a body left due to those 2000 pound bombs)

I think a large part of the issue with Ukraine is that there is a more practical way that people can help. There are Ukrainian refugees in many countries being supported. I know locally here hairdressers were given haircuts to refugees and as a teacher I have supported children from Ukraine. However with Palestine due to the lack of a right to return there is very little people can actually do and social media is one of the ways people feel they can virtually support them
I agree with you about the mainstream media but I do think while nothing will happen over night with sm posts the tide turning will have an impact. Politicians are like celebrities now and popularity contests will put them out of a job and losing power is their ultimate motivation regardless of which side they must take

Some see it as a trendy omnicause. Some are performative attention-seekers as already mentioned, outdoing each other on how anguished they can be after non-stop watching what they say are the most horrifying tik tok videos ever and have forgotten all about the Brexit, covid and Ukraine dramas they were so recently luridly catastrophising over. Both of these groups will quickly move on to whatever they see as the next craze

There's also a massive vein of antisemitism which won't go away so easily, as seen on this thread with shouts of 'zionism' (aka Israel just existing like other countries) and allegations of Israeli propaganda (because there's no such thing as Palestinian propaganda of course, there can be no questioning of the highly improbable Hamas casualty ratio claims). This is nothing new, Palestine losing the war it started against Israel is just the current excuse for racism.

@GenerationP You’re very wrong about lots of things.
You don’t know my background and you are making many assumptions about my understanding. I understand very well what is happening.

Just to address one of your points. You do know that this Israel is a brand spanking new one created in 1948 don’t you? I don’t know if you know that. It seems you Dont.
The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis. All the Palestinians I know are Middle Eastern funnily enough. As was everyone before them.

Nor do you understand apartheid.I can’t imagine how you have concluded that there is no division yet Israel ‘feeds the enemy’.
Nelson Mandela said “our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestinians”. An apartheid state it definitely is.

Most SM posts don’t anchieve anything. People are shocked and outraged and want to express their opinions, especially as the UK media is very biased and does not report the horrors happening there which the UK is supporting.

There was alot of SM post regarding the Ukraine /Russia war when it first started although not much now.

Amazing how some people can't understand how others might just be genuinely horrified and disgusted watching civilians being slaughtered and starved for 7 months and assume there must be ulterior motives to their concern. There's some really disturbing perspectives on here.

Exactly, human's are an odd species. We are motivated to behave in many ways beyond simply factual reasoning.

Another Zionist wind up post.

Posting about Katie Price, Boris Johnson, that weird bloke at the bus stop, doesn't achieve anything either, but people still do.
They just want to talk about it that's all. Kind of the point of SM 🤷‍♀️

Wow , it's be because thousands of children and women have been murdered. That's why ? !!

why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

Loads was posted about Ukraine when the war kicked off and there were marches.

The difference is that governments around the world imposed sanctions on Russia and leaders went to visit and offer their support.

Surely your thinking can stretch to at least this?

Israel have a massive propaganda machine. Think paid posts and trips to Israel by Americans such as Noa Tishby and Michael Rappaport. It comes as a conclusion therefore that image and propaganda are very important to the Israeli government..
Therefore if social media means that two sides of the story are presented to the general public how can that be a bad thing.
If people can post pictures of their dogs in dress up outfits surely there is a small place on the internet to challenge the status quo through the mainstream media
I follow Biden and Kamala Harris . Through the comments on those pages I have learnt that actually a huge following of Americans are completely disgusted by the situation.

This

@Flyinghigh24 ’s posts illustrate to me the appeal of the Palestinian cause. You get to feel good about yourself as a caring compassionate person. You get to hate, or at least turn a blind eye to ( which is a form of hate, the type that leads to holocausts and genocides) another group of people no matter what barbarity is committed against them. And you get to take a strong principled stance without ever having to live with the consequences of your own principles ( such as living next to a terrorist government which has openly committed to the racist murder of you and your family, and has just done so, and openly glories in martyring its own citizens, even though they never consented to martyrdom, to do so). It’s easy to take high principles when you are your children don’t face rape, torture and death for doing so.

I don’t condemn Flyinghighs obviously genuine concern for the Palestinian people. What is happening is beyond appalling. I do condemn the turning face away from what has happened to the Israelis, and what would be happening to them now if they didn’t have the iron dome, and we all saw on October 7th what would happen. There should be room and compassion for Israeli and Palestinian citizens caught up in all this.

This is just not a simplistic goodie vs baddie situation, no matter what inner psychological incentive posters like Flyinghigh have to frame it as such.

Its actually a really entrenched and complex situation with no easy answers.

Why does anyone post anything vaguely political?

It's about raising awareness, and lobbying. Raising awareness can lead to more people getting engaged. This can lead to more people writing to MPs, voting with their feet, maybe even joining some actual action.

This is how we influence our politicians. If we all shut up and do nothing there's no pressure on anyone to do anything. In reality I'd like our leaders to speak out against the genocide and make sure we are doing nothing to support it. There's more chance of that happening if they're aware of the extent of feeling amongst the general public.

@Boomer55 on the contrary - they have been listening. The protests have been commented on, certainly by Netanyahu.
Behaviour is starting to change.