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To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

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trekking1 · 15/05/2024 22:53

It seems that every time I log into social media there are so people constantly posting about how we need to free Palestine and condemning everyone who ignores their posts.

May I ask what do they expect posting about it will actually accomplish? Did I miss something and wars can be stopped with SM posts? If so, why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

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Thulpelly · 16/05/2024 12:50

There is a big difference in the way the news has reported, and western governments responded to, the war in ukraine versus the genocide in palestine.

ConnieCounter · 16/05/2024 12:20

peakygold · 16/05/2024 11:30

Didn't Hamas start it And now they are getting their butts kicked? The Palestinians voted for Hamas to lead them, so reap the wild wind, as they say.

Wow, you managed to make the most genocidal comment yet on an already gross thread. Fair play to you.

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 11:49

peakygold · 16/05/2024 11:30

Didn't Hamas start it And now they are getting their butts kicked? The Palestinians voted for Hamas to lead them, so reap the wild wind, as they say.

so according to you babies and children deserve to die because of what their parents did?
and the last election was a looooong time ago and FYI Netanyahu openly supported hamas in order to fund the PLO. so should his children and grandchildren be held responsible for that?

by your logic should we start killing all descendents of KKK supporters for example? how about the children of those who supported the IRA?

peakygold · 16/05/2024 11:30

Didn't Hamas start it And now they are getting their butts kicked? The Palestinians voted for Hamas to lead them, so reap the wild wind, as they say.

stepfordblanket · 16/05/2024 11:27

ConnieCounter · 16/05/2024 11:25

You should stop talking about things you know nothing about. Several bad takes there.

Where’s the lie?

ConnieCounter · 16/05/2024 11:25

stepfordblanket · 16/05/2024 10:59

By that standard there are countries with more relevant and current experience of colonisation in Europe. Wales, for one. Yet it’s only the Irish who constantly play the ‘occupation’ card. And as for NI, take it up with the Northern Irish who routinely poll in favour of remaining part of the UK.

The overwhelming majority of the current population of ROI don’t have experience of ‘occupation’ though, so they have no such unique insight. What they do have is a more recent history of sympathy with a foreign power with a stated goal of eliminating the Jews.

You should stop talking about things you know nothing about. Several bad takes there.

thisisasurvivor · 16/05/2024 11:12

MineIsALemonFanta · 16/05/2024 10:28

I must admit I’ve wondered the same myself, OP. It feels performative. I don’t know what they expect it to achieve.

Performative

Get a life would you

My god

Where is the compassion?!!!

stepfordblanket · 16/05/2024 10:59

ConnieCounter · 16/05/2024 10:26

Being Irish is probably relevant as one of the only European countries to be colonised. It gives Ireland an insight that a lot of places lack. Also, you're ignoring the small matter of 6 counties still being occupied. You might not view it as occupation, but many people do. There have been strong links between the Nationalist/Republican movement and the Palestinian movement for decades.

By that standard there are countries with more relevant and current experience of colonisation in Europe. Wales, for one. Yet it’s only the Irish who constantly play the ‘occupation’ card. And as for NI, take it up with the Northern Irish who routinely poll in favour of remaining part of the UK.

The overwhelming majority of the current population of ROI don’t have experience of ‘occupation’ though, so they have no such unique insight. What they do have is a more recent history of sympathy with a foreign power with a stated goal of eliminating the Jews.

Domtickandlarry · 16/05/2024 10:40

Starting with the end to slaughtering innocent children in their thousands would be a good start.
Why, OP, what do YOU think should happen? Continue the genocide until every Palestinian has fled or is dead? Then those Zionists who want a beach front holiday home can move in?

meisafairy · 16/05/2024 10:40

I’ll repost retweet and support anything that highlights the plight of those in Palestine.

I’m human and seeing this genocide unfold is horrific.

The people in Gaza don’t have the privilege of being born white and having white nations with a saviour complex help them.

Being born brown really makes you see the world in a different light almost feel like a underclass as if your life doesn’t matter.

If a tweet share, et cetera keeps the people of Palestines plight out there and it’s all good.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists.

I don’t take any sides in a conflict like this. All I see is the unjust nature of innocent people being killed on both sides which is barbaric.

Nctodayjan24 · 16/05/2024 10:37

MineIsALemonFanta · 16/05/2024 10:28

I must admit I’ve wondered the same myself, OP. It feels performative. I don’t know what they expect it to achieve.

Same thing the suffragettes, Rosa Parks, Ruby Bridges and the 1968 Columbia University riots hoped to achieve.
Starting a movement that will change attitudes.
Just because it's on Instagram and not running in front of a horse doesn't change the motivation. The world has changed and it's the youngest generation are leading it

I really don't get why people can't understand this. Should we all just turn a blind eye because you know ... Why bother

Opine · 16/05/2024 10:30

@Northernnature And whilst we’re here; where were Palestinians thousands of years ago? Where is their homeland?

MineIsALemonFanta · 16/05/2024 10:28

I must admit I’ve wondered the same myself, OP. It feels performative. I don’t know what they expect it to achieve.

ConnieCounter · 16/05/2024 10:26

stepfordblanket · 16/05/2024 09:56

We were only fed mainstream media 7 years ago?? In 2017? Are you serious? Twitter was already a decade old at that point. The Arab Spring in 2010-2012 was only possible because of organisation on social media. We’ve had access to live happenings on social for nearly two decades at this point.

Not entirely sure what being Irish has to do with anything. Ireland’s war time Nazi sympathies? Or is this like BambieThug bleating on about living under occupation despite being born in Cork over 70 years after the Irish war of independence? Lol.

OP - the Palestine posters on social are just engaging in bog standard slacktivism with a bit of Jew hate tossed in there. It’s telling how few of them mentioned any other atrocity before (or after) October 7, some of them actively cheering on Oct 7, as if violent rape and civilian murder are some noble form of resistance. And also how few of them ever even mention the hostages or acknowledge that Hamas is to blame because they entirely miscalculated and the rest of the Arab world are wholly uninterested.

Being Irish is probably relevant as one of the only European countries to be colonised. It gives Ireland an insight that a lot of places lack. Also, you're ignoring the small matter of 6 counties still being occupied. You might not view it as occupation, but many people do. There have been strong links between the Nationalist/Republican movement and the Palestinian movement for decades.

Nctodayjan24 · 16/05/2024 10:22

stepfordblanket · 16/05/2024 09:56

We were only fed mainstream media 7 years ago?? In 2017? Are you serious? Twitter was already a decade old at that point. The Arab Spring in 2010-2012 was only possible because of organisation on social media. We’ve had access to live happenings on social for nearly two decades at this point.

Not entirely sure what being Irish has to do with anything. Ireland’s war time Nazi sympathies? Or is this like BambieThug bleating on about living under occupation despite being born in Cork over 70 years after the Irish war of independence? Lol.

OP - the Palestine posters on social are just engaging in bog standard slacktivism with a bit of Jew hate tossed in there. It’s telling how few of them mentioned any other atrocity before (or after) October 7, some of them actively cheering on Oct 7, as if violent rape and civilian murder are some noble form of resistance. And also how few of them ever even mention the hostages or acknowledge that Hamas is to blame because they entirely miscalculated and the rest of the Arab world are wholly uninterested.

To me the poster meant that being Irish we have grown up knowing about Palestine. I remember protests on a Saturday afternoon in Marks and Spencer in Cork City .
In other words this is not a trendy cause for us because let's face it it didn't start on October 7th no matter what posters here would like to think

Opine · 16/05/2024 10:12

@Northernnature The European Jews that currently reside in Israel do not have a lineage spanning thousands of years. That’s simply not true.

Northernnature · 16/05/2024 09:56

Opine · 16/05/2024 08:33

@GenerationP You’re very wrong about lots of things.
You don’t know my background and you are making many assumptions about my understanding. I understand very well what is happening.

Just to address one of your points. You do know that this Israel is a brand spanking new one created in 1948 don’t you? I don’t know if you know that. It seems you Dont.
The Israelis I know are Europeans with dual citizenship. I don’t know any Middle Eastern Israelis. All the Palestinians I know are Middle Eastern funnily enough. As was everyone before them.

Nor do you understand apartheid.I can’t imagine how you have concluded that there is no division yet Israel ‘feeds the enemy’.
Nelson Mandela said “our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestinians”. An apartheid state it definitely is.

@Opine this is your post. To me like other posters it is clear that you are saying that Jewish people belong I Europe not the Middle East which is highly offensive and untrue, read the Bible they have been there thousands of years and Israel is their homeland.

stepfordblanket · 16/05/2024 09:56

itsagranddayfordrying · 16/05/2024 07:36

To the poster who said where was our outrage over Aleppo when something similar happened 7 years ago , we were only fed mainstream media then , now with social media we have access to first hand accounts and are witnessing in real time what is happening . I post about Palestine on my social media as I am appalled, outraged , shocked and haunted by the images I'm seeing . Also as an Irish person I have been aware of the plight of the Palestinians long before Oct 7th . Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine for years controlling who and what enters Gaza , illegal settlers regularly kick people out of their homes , there is evidence that they deliberately restricted food intake into Gaza for years to keep the population just above starvation levels . Louis Theroux did a documentary on Zionism long before Oct 7th , it's a sickening watch . How anyone is not raging , angry , shocked and saddened by what is happening is beyond me . All I can do is boycott Israeli products , post on social media and attend marches and I'm more than willing to do that .

We were only fed mainstream media 7 years ago?? In 2017? Are you serious? Twitter was already a decade old at that point. The Arab Spring in 2010-2012 was only possible because of organisation on social media. We’ve had access to live happenings on social for nearly two decades at this point.

Not entirely sure what being Irish has to do with anything. Ireland’s war time Nazi sympathies? Or is this like BambieThug bleating on about living under occupation despite being born in Cork over 70 years after the Irish war of independence? Lol.

OP - the Palestine posters on social are just engaging in bog standard slacktivism with a bit of Jew hate tossed in there. It’s telling how few of them mentioned any other atrocity before (or after) October 7, some of them actively cheering on Oct 7, as if violent rape and civilian murder are some noble form of resistance. And also how few of them ever even mention the hostages or acknowledge that Hamas is to blame because they entirely miscalculated and the rest of the Arab world are wholly uninterested.

Opine · 16/05/2024 09:49

@Alltheprettyseahorses You accused me of downplaying Middle Eastern Jews. I honestly don’t know how you’ve drawn that conclusion.

Chickenuggetsticks · 16/05/2024 09:31

I think the thing that is missing is that ceasefires are not one sided. Hamas agreed to a ceasefire no-one had actually seen after they had amended it. To be clear there was a ceasefire deal, they changed it and declared they had agreed and the Israelis went “oh wait, that bit wasn’t in the deal we were talking about so no fuck off”. Good bit of propaganda there. Don’t believe everything that terrorists who use their own people as human shields say.

On the other side Netanyahu has no intention of not flattening Rafah regardless of any deals. He’s holding on for dear life has absolutely no plan at all and is a blight on the country he leads.

Israel will eventually be shot of Netanyahu, who in Gaza is going to get rid of Hamas? It enjoys popular support, seemingly runs a police state (they have informants have been known to torture and murder Palestinians they don’t like) and hasn’t bothered having an election for ages (thats on them not Israel).

Israel has definitely behaved shoddily towards Palestinians (detention without trial for example) and turned a blind eye to harassment of those living in the West Bank, shocking behaviour by some Israelis to be frank, but Hamas has culpability too. No-one made them dig up tunnels or put weapons in civilian structures. Some of those tunnels had children digging them out who died. They literally sent kids to dig out tunnels some of who died. Or launch terror attacks. They could have oh …I don’t know tried to obtain a 2 state solution.

There is an immense desire to lay all this at the feet of Israel whilst seemingly ignoring the agency of Palestinians. You need leadership on both sides who actually want peace and neither groups has that yet.

TripleDaisySummer · 16/05/2024 09:27

Watched a John Oliver skit years ago who made the point that many people seem to think posting on social media is same as actually doing something.

There is often vague talk of raising awareness - which again if it's being covered in main stream media is actually more nothing.

However sometimes posting and talking does lead to action - groups from that start to lobby or fund raise or people do join existing groups or donate.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 16/05/2024 09:19

I think it’s a case of looking for a tree in the forest. There are so many political fires now. Apparently Europe is anticipating WW3 as once Russia has swallowed up Ukraine they will come for Poland next. Meanwhile a middle east total crisis is brewing and China will be finding just the right time to invade Taiwan.

Good luck everyone. See you on the other side.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/05/2024 09:19

Opine · 16/05/2024 09:10

@Alltheprettyseahorses I said the Israelis I know aren’t Middle Eastern.

The Middle Eastern Jews I know are Iranians NOT Israelis. Iran is not Israel is it.

what on earth are you banging on about??

I'm responding to what you said in the post I quoted. That's what I'm 'banging on about.'

ControlShiftDelete · 16/05/2024 09:15

People are posting to retaliate for being silenced despite the risk of losing their jobs and livelihoods and being gaslighted and labelled for requesting a ceasefire which over 35,000 women, children and civilians have been obliterated. Just remember the media, politicians, lobby groups and even social media did everything in their power to control the narrative and label anyone anti Semitic or Hamas sympathisers for those concerned or simply questioning the fact why the fuck is children being bombed to pieces in safe places or why journalists are shot by snipers or why the world central kitchen staff have been deliberately targeted and other important aid staffs.

Member984815 · 16/05/2024 09:10

Raising awareness, so many people know nothing about the conflict.

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