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To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

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trekking1 · 15/05/2024 22:53

It seems that every time I log into social media there are so people constantly posting about how we need to free Palestine and condemning everyone who ignores their posts.

May I ask what do they expect posting about it will actually accomplish? Did I miss something and wars can be stopped with SM posts? If so, why are they not posting the same about Ukraine? There is still a war going on there...

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Zodfa · 16/05/2024 22:30

It's a trendy thing to be vocal about. These things come and go. Periodically I find myself wondering if Black Lives still Matter. You couldn't move for that for a time and now nobody talks about it. Apparently it's only worth caring about something if everyone else cares as well. It's not clear much lasting improvement came out of the movement either. Lots of shouting but have the lives of black people actually improved?

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 16/05/2024 22:22

Eieiom · 16/05/2024 22:07

No doubt antisemitism is on the rise and some deeply unpleasant people are utilising the concerns others have about the conflict in Gaza to fan those flames and hijack protests. They disgust me.
I am deeply concerned about the scale of human suffering in Palestine, but I do not hold antisemitic views at all. I am concerned that my concern for Palestine could be written off as hating Jews, when it isn't.

It won’t be written off. You are completely within your rights to express horror at the Israeli government and disagree vehemently with the atrocious behaviour going on. I find a lot of those who complain they’re being treated like antisemites are being antisemites. Your post is valid and fair.

Eieiom · 16/05/2024 22:07

No doubt antisemitism is on the rise and some deeply unpleasant people are utilising the concerns others have about the conflict in Gaza to fan those flames and hijack protests. They disgust me.
I am deeply concerned about the scale of human suffering in Palestine, but I do not hold antisemitic views at all. I am concerned that my concern for Palestine could be written off as hating Jews, when it isn't.

Clavinova · 16/05/2024 22:04

HarrietPierce
This child of Holocaust survivors shows so much more compassion

That particular 'child of Holocaust survivors' is a radical socialist and long-standing pro-Palestinian activist. He rejoined the Labour Party under Corbyn.

Two months ago he gave an interview to the Islamic Human Rights Commission (a non-profit organisation based in London);

Regarding the 7 October attack, he described it as a “break out from jail to hurt the army”. He said the attack was “valuable” as “a meaningful point of changing the narrative” and he supports the “liberation from Zionism”. Towards the end of the interview he acknowledged that some of the things that happened on 7 October were “not very happy”.

He talked about the terrible loss of life and suffering in Gaza – however he also regards the suffering as necessary because, “you can’t defeat colonialism without pain”.

He is anti-capitalist and anti-the West in general. He said “the whole West is united against Palestine because they understand that Palestine holds the key to their decline.” He doesn’t trust the ICJ and he described the chair of the ICJ as “an American woman with a very doubtful record.”

Also interviewed here in The New Arab last week;
Israel has turned into a Nazi society

https://www.newarab.com/features/son-shoah-survivors-israel-has-become-nazi-society

SOAS professor calls Israel a "Western virus" (2020);
https://www.thejc.com/news/soas-professor-calls-israel-a-western-virus-ej68mzjo

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 21:43

Oh and I've told my dc to never mention their heritage to anyone at the moment....but I'm just imagining all this clearly

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 21:42

headstone · 16/05/2024 21:34

The surge is done by sadly an unpleasant minority, islamophobia is also on the increase. The vast majority of people protesting are deeply concerned for the welfare of the Palestinian people. I’ve given you a reason why people are outraged, a factual reason.

I follow a lot of social media accounts about the holocaust as I'm the granddaughter of a holocaust survivor and am passionate about it not being forgotten. I can't tell you how many comments about Palestine are disrespectfully posted on there...how dare they? Or do you think that's fine and they just care about dead children?

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 21:37

headstone · 16/05/2024 21:34

The surge is done by sadly an unpleasant minority, islamophobia is also on the increase. The vast majority of people protesting are deeply concerned for the welfare of the Palestinian people. I’ve given you a reason why people are outraged, a factual reason.

Why aren't they equally outraged about the war in Yemen and the famine it's created then? Why aren't they equally outraged about the genocide of Uyghur Muslims in china?

headstone · 16/05/2024 21:34

The surge is done by sadly an unpleasant minority, islamophobia is also on the increase. The vast majority of people protesting are deeply concerned for the welfare of the Palestinian people. I’ve given you a reason why people are outraged, a factual reason.

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 21:31

headstone · 16/05/2024 21:27

People don’t hate Jews, they hate western weapons being used to kill thousands of children. More children have been killed in this conflict then in any other conflict in the last 4 years with western weapons that is why there is so much outrage.

Oh we all must be imagining the surge in anti semetic hate crime recently.

headstone · 16/05/2024 21:27

People don’t hate Jews, they hate western weapons being used to kill thousands of children. More children have been killed in this conflict then in any other conflict in the last 4 years with western weapons that is why there is so much outrage.

Comedycook · 16/05/2024 21:19

PurpleChrayn · 16/05/2024 21:11

Because a lot of people hate Jews, and this conflict offers the perfect avenue to air their antisemitism.

Deny it all you like, but it's irrefutable.

And it isn't whataboutery to ask why there isn't similar outrage for the arguably greater casualties in other current conflicts.

People. Hate. Jews.

Yep....100%

PurpleChrayn · 16/05/2024 21:11

Because a lot of people hate Jews, and this conflict offers the perfect avenue to air their antisemitism.

Deny it all you like, but it's irrefutable.

And it isn't whataboutery to ask why there isn't similar outrage for the arguably greater casualties in other current conflicts.

People. Hate. Jews.

hipingpot · 16/05/2024 21:10

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Auvergne63 · 16/05/2024 21:04

LargeAmericano · 16/05/2024 18:45

They always try to put words in your mouth OP.

The words ‘Hamas must surrender immediately so Palestinians can stop being used as human sacrifices for an extremist religious ideology’ doesn’t come out of theirs though funnily enough.

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Maybe it's because Netanyahu has stated that, even if the hostages are released, he won't stop.

Auvergne63 · 16/05/2024 20:56

peakygold · 16/05/2024 11:30

Didn't Hamas start it And now they are getting their butts kicked? The Palestinians voted for Hamas to lead them, so reap the wild wind, as they say.

Disgusting, just disgusting.

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 20:47

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I’m not about to name people that I know like that. I might not like their views but I’m certainly not going to put them on a public forum. Even IF I did name people that I know what would that do for you?

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Auvergne63 · 16/05/2024 20:41

GenerationP · 16/05/2024 00:27

Here’s an idea @Nctodayjan24 when are YOU going to hold Hamas accountable for starting this damn war, using their own people as human shields, stealing the aid earmarked for ordinary Garzans which they then sell on for profit. And when are YOU going* *to tell Hamas to release the remaining hostages, lay down their AK47s and surrender completely?

Second of all, where the hell are you taking those statistics from? Don’t you know that between 6 May and 8 May, the UN cut in half its estimates of the number of women and children killed in Gaza. The estimates were based on Hamas numbers and are a reminder that all fatality estimates coming from that source are unreliable.

Casualties of war, to my knowledge, have never been reported as the war is happening. These numbers (that I’ve also seen being reported on these very threads!) were completely fabricated. Why is it important you may wonder, people are still dying. It’s important because the mendacious accusation of genocide is being thrown around and used to demonise Israel and Jews. And it's being used precisely because Jews have experienced genocide. This is however, nothing new. The accusation of genocide in Palestine has been alleged for decades, even as the population increased substantially. What we are seeing here is the UN's complicity in colluding with terrorists.

Here are some things that prove (prove!) there is no genocide in Gaza. Israel accepts the surrender of prisoners and treats their wounded. Israel allows aid into the enemy.
Israeli labor is building the new US pier in Gaza to help increase aid. Israel has paused the war for weeks trying to convince Hamas to accept an extraordinarily generous ceasefire agreement to save lives (Hamas declined.) And, yes, Israel warns the enemy of troop movements in advance (putting themselves at risk in the process). The ONLY people still calling this war a genocide are doing so simply to try and raise hate against Jews.

Hamas is accountable for the horrors of 07/10.
The Israeli government, who supported Hamas for 14 years ( well documented), is responsible for what is happening now.
using their own people as human shields
A tactic used by the IDF too
Human shield - Use of Palestinian civilians as human shields in violation of High Court order - Israel | ReliefWeb
These numbers (that I’ve also seen being reported on these very threads!) were completely fabricated.
Here are the figures
UN says Gaza death toll still over 35,000 but not all bodies identified | Reuters
It’s important because the mendacious accusation of genocide is being thrown around and used to demonise Israel and Jews. And it's being used precisely because Jews have experienced genocide. This is however, nothing new. The accusation of genocide in Palestine has been alleged for decades, even as the population increased substantially.
The courts will decide if it is a genocide, not you or me.
What we are seeing here is the UN's complicity in colluding with terrorists.
All 193 members? You do know that the UN partitioned Palestine in order for Israel to be founded? Now they are terrorists lovers?
Israel accepts the surrender of prisoners and treats their wounded. Israel allows aid into the enemy.
There is being ill informed and there is being deluded.
Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests - Amnesty International
I won't bother trying to counter argue the rest of your post because I don't have the time.

Human shield - Use of Palestinian civilians as human shields in violation of High Court order - Israel

Analysis in English on Israel and 1 other country; published on 14 Nov 2002 by B'Tselem

https://reliefweb.int/report/israel/human-shield-use-palestinian-civilians-human-shields-violation-high-court-order

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 20:35

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You really expect me to name individual members of the public on an open forum?

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Karensalright · 16/05/2024 20:19

@trekking1 So if i understand correctly you are posting a pointless post about pointless posting?

or are you saying we should al refrain from posting on things that have a point?

😂😂😂

headstone · 16/05/2024 19:58

The occupation on exists because of western support, western weapons are what have killed so many children. Absolutely citizens of western countries should be protesting and sharing information as much as possible.

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:56

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 19:43

I'm 100% in agreement in that

I was just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of people using religion as an excuse to hurt other people

applies to people using any and all religions. including using the old testament as an excuse to throw people off their land or Al Qaeda/ISIS misusing cherry picked versed of the Qur'an out of context to kill people or Hindu extremists abusing Muslims because they sell meat/beef

100%

Floralsofa · 16/05/2024 19:54

I've seen people commenting on Instagram on Pregnant Then Screwed and a couple of other charity pages, demanding and actually being quite rude, all along the lines of why they aren't raising awareness about Gaza. Ridiculous.

therealcookiemonster · 16/05/2024 19:43

TakeMe2Insanity · 16/05/2024 19:38

Oppression is just wrong.
Occupation is just wrong.

I'm 100% in agreement in that

I was just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of people using religion as an excuse to hurt other people

applies to people using any and all religions. including using the old testament as an excuse to throw people off their land or Al Qaeda/ISIS misusing cherry picked versed of the Qur'an out of context to kill people or Hindu extremists abusing Muslims because they sell meat/beef