To ask what on earth do people who post about Palestine expect to happen?

Thinking of the families of the three hostages whose bodies were found by the IDF in Gaza tonight including Shani Louk who is perhaps best known for being the hostage tied semi naked to a back of a truck as her captors rejoiced.

The three hostages were innocent Israelis who just wanted to go to a festival.

Horrific.

Terrorists are enshrined in law not based on opinion

With respect, that's your opinion. They are terrorists.

I don't see any harm in people posting to raise awareness. I suppose it can be easy to forget how people are suffering if you don't keep up with the news or hear about it often.
I've seen many posts encouraging charitable donations to help those in Gaza, I've donated when I can myself.
The Israeli government must be held to account for what they have done, and public awareness and hopefully resulting pressure on governments to condemn them will make a real difference, as us civilians can't really drag Netanyahu and his government in front of the ICC ourselves.

And get the IDF are still not terrorists

Israel has ignored international law for decades.

I think it’s ONE of the reasons it’s so popular to support Palestine. You really don’t realise how much people love to blame and hate Jewish people.

The other reason IMO that is a popular one (and the majority reason) is because people are busy and it’s a campaign that is already mobilised and well known and so it’s very easy to support with minimum effort and time as opposed to being the first one to raise awareness, they can care about a group of people in an already well established campaign.

With respect, that’s your opinion and it’s not enshrined in any law.

Yeah that isn’t saying that support Palestine is antisemitic. At all.

Where?!

Yep or referring to the Israeli government as ‘a religion’

I’m not sure pointing the finger at people who support Palestinians and calling them bigoted and performative is the best way to combat that though.

Well it is when those people make antisemitic comments. Pro-Palestinian supporters do harm when they even mention Jewish people when who they mean is the Israeli government. If you look for it you’ll see it everywhere.

I see so much on MN “Waaaah I get called antisemitic because I support Palestine” hey I NEVER see any comments of this sort. I see people calling out antisemitic comments pro-Palestinian supporters make like
”There is no religion that gets a free pass to commit these atrocities for fear of being called biased against the religion”

This IS anti-Semitic because it’s conflating Israel with Judaism and blaming the religion not the government. It’s important to call it out this is EXACTLY the kind of misinformation that led to such vehement hate for Jewish people in the 1930’s Europe that when Jews were forced out their homes and marched ghettos, regularly citizens applauded and cheered rather than doing anything to help them.

No, you see it a lot - the posts asking why people aren’t talking about conflicts in other parts of the world as much as the Israeli-Gaza war for example.

There’s this idea people are making a big fuss about Gaza while ignoring people suffering in other conflicts and the reason for this must be anti-Israel prejudice.
To be fair some people may genuinely believe this to be the case but a lot of the time it seems to be a way of shutting the discussion down.

Its true that there are other conflicts in the world that aren’t in the spot light or even mentioned but I think that probably has more to do with what is /isn’t reported in in mainstream media.

Netanyahu is a terrorist, so are his far right goons.

One is a terrorist organisation the other is not

For the record I have no problem criticising the Israeli government. I certainly don't think criticising the IDF is antisemitic. I have often thought the ADL do more damage to themselves by accusing all and sundry of antisemitism. They put out an ad last year which I thought was hilariously bad.

But there's absolutely a lot of antisemitism driving a lot of the current online rhetoric. Progressives online parroting the "Jews run the world" line are definitely being antisemitic. The 'Anti-Zionist' label is just a convenient way for some (not all) people to say they hate Jews without saying they hate Jews. The current conflict has provided great cover for people to let their hate spill out online whereas to do so before would have had them labelled alt-right or white nationalist.

People just weren’t paying attention, because they weren’t ’just like us’ (Ukraine) or there were no Jews involved (Isreal/Gaza). Gaza has just been far more amplified because of people with an agenda.

Which one? The one by @stepfordblanket because I've read it and haven't come to that conclusion.

Literally no one thinks that simply criticising the idf or government is anti semetic....but we are continually told it's happening.

Its literally in the post above yours @Comedycook

But none of those are cross country wars with invading parties. They are all civil wars. That’s not the same. It’s quite easy to say Isreal should not be in palestine right now. Same as it was easy to say Palestine should not have invaded Israel last October. It’s easy to say Russia shouldn’t be in Ukraine. You can’t say Yemenis shouldn’t be in Yemen or Nigerians in Nigeria or any other inter country conflict. Same as with the Afghanistan withdrawal fuck up - we can’t say Afghans shouldn’t be in Afghanistan. The best we could do was say ‘ahh that’s fucked!’

And Chinese Uighurs - well I don’t think we are seeing that first hand on iPhones from their concentration camps.

So sorry we are going to have to disagree. Hopefully there aren’t more wars but inevitably there will be. I’m assuming China and Taiwan at some point. At that stage I’m sure everyone will equally say China needs the get the fuck out of Taiwan.

None of those is rocket science. People can pretend it is or use whatever slurs they like to try to make it appear so.

Very few Israelis support their current government but if anyone else criticises them then they’re called antisemitic

This is another tiresome myth that criticising the Israeli government results in you being accused of being anti semetic.

Literally no one thinks that simply criticising the idf or government is anti semetic....but we are continually told it's happening.

I see lots of posts on the citme criticising them and I don't consider it anti semetic.

What you'll find is there is often something else which has prompted them to be called anti semetic such as holocaust inversion for example.

So as a hypothetical example I've made up ...

I think what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza is terrible...not anti semetic

I think what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza is terrible...never again means for everyone....anti semetic.

Periscope launched on Twitter in early 2015. There have been numerous armed conflicts around the world since then. The Wikipedia link I shared details many that are current and ongoing. Footage from some of those has been shared online for years (and in some cases misappropriated to propagandise the current conflict).

It’s not the first, second, or even third. People just weren’t paying attention, because they weren’t ’just like us’ (Ukraine) or there were no Jews involved (Isreal/Gaza). Gaza has just been far more amplified because of people with an agenda.

I’m sure the alt-right are especially enjoying the online left doing their antisemitic work for them. It’s quite something seeing so-called progressives repeat the typical 4chan talking points of Jews controlling the world.

Incidentally I think it’s naive to think this will have any major change in terms of war and powerful men. People have been looking at horror and gore online for decades. The more images that are shared, the more desensitised we become. ‘War in the middle east’ is like ‘school shooting in the US’. It’s tragic but it’s also just business as usual.

They probably would do that’s the annoying thing. Very few Israelis support their current government but if anyone else criticises them then they’re called antisemitic.

I understand concerns that levels of antisemitism may rise due to current events. That’s a legitimate concern. I’m not sure pointing the finger at people who support Palestinians and calling them bigoted and performative is the best way to combat that though.

Alternatively ask yourself why are you so against the plight of the Palestininans?