FIL 'took' Our car!

In the grand scheme of things £2k isn’t a lot when it comes to cars. Of course the RK wouldn’t be considered the owner in any circumstance. If there was no other evidence then you would be unable to prove who the owner was/wasn’t. The only thing you can say is that the RK might be the owner.

No, the only way to prove legal ownership is the Logbook.

Well, yeah. Ultimately the invoice is the main way to prove ownership, alternatively you could write a receipt and both sign it to say you were gifting the car or similar.

No, not at all. Even if you pay cash and there’s no finance agreement. Often people will buy cars for other people. The buyer is not the owner.

If you mean an active finance agreement then yes it’ll belong to the finance company. Once settled though I guess you could use it to prove ownership.

2k is quite a lot of money to most people. Regardless with no other evidence do you not think the registered keeper would be considered the owner?

I said I’ve bought and sold loads of cheap cars for cash with no receipt. In those circumstances there is no way to prove ownership but who gives a shit for a couple of £k. Anything more than that I’d always ensure receipts are in place.

You said earlier that you don't give or receive receipts when you buy or sell cars so how would you prove ownership?

Who buys the car is completely different to who owns it, so finance deals etc are irrelevant.

Lol! You can only track the ownership of a vehicle through invoices, finance agreements etc. As I said before the V5C only shows who’s responsible for taxing it etc, the Registered Keeper. The RC may or may not be the legal owner but the two things are entirely separate. 30 seconds on Google will tell you this as will the V5C itself.

Lol! You can only track the ownership of a vehicle through invoices, finance agreements etc. As I said before the V5C only shows who’s responsible for taxing it etc, the Registered Keeper. The RC may or may not be the legal owner but the two things are entirely separate. 30 seconds on Google will tell you this as will the V5C itself.

I get why you don't want bil using the car. It's your car and bil didn't ask. It's jist a repeated pattern. The reason it is so inflammatory for your husband is because he has faced this all his life. Bil being entitled and dad enabling it.

Stand by your husband.

(The worst bit is your husband will forgive. Doesn't mean you need to forget.)

Are you one of those people who comes on here just to cause trouble?
how do you legally track the owner of a vehicle if you don’t do it via the V5C?

Clearly you never have. The V5C has nothing to do with ownership. Why would you comment on something you clearly know absolutely nothing about? Have you ever seen a V5C?

Oh dear. Have you never bought or sold a car privately ? The name on log book is the person who transferrs the ownership to the new buyer. If the FIL was the person whose name it was transferred to as the new buyer then he can keep the car or sell the car. The husband is powerless. If the logbook was transferred to the name of the husband when bought, then the FIL is powerless to keep it or gift it to BIL.

That’s hilarious. The log book merely details who’s responsible for taxing the car and to whom parking tickets, speeding tickets etc are served. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the ownership of the car.

Evening all,

I'll start by saying that I've NC as I don't want this linked with my previous posts. This is a long one so I do apologise in advance...

Dh and I live abroad and will be visiting the UK for a couple of months next month. We've been looking for a cheap car to use for the month with the intention of reselling when we leave.

FIL has been kind enough to help with the search and the other night found a good deal. He went to view the car and arranged to buy it the next day. FIL had 1k of our money (from selling a car last year) and we transferred the remaining balance of the car over. We're excited that we've got a good deal and BIL mentions that he might want to buy the car off us when we leave. Great!

The next day DH gets a message from FIL to say that he and BIL are on the way to collect the car. All good. Then BIL sends a message to the group chat saying he's going to need to borrow our car whilst his car is getting an MOT. He doesn't ask, he assumes.

Bit of backstory - BIL (by Dh's own admission) is an immature man child who is often reckless and verbally abusive when he doesn't get his own way. He can't hold down a job and FIL is constantly bailing him out of messy situations. FIL is definitely his enabler.
DH says no I'm really sorry but I don't want you using my car. I'm not buying it for someone else to use. FIL gets angry at this as asks why BIL is good enough to pick the car up then? DH says he thought FIL would be driving our car and BIL would drive FIL's car back. Had he have known this wasn't the case, we could have asked someone else to collect the car.

Anyway, it's all blown into a huge argument. FIL phoned DH and did nothing but shout and scream. How can he not trust his brother? He's trying to get his life together! DH reiterated that he didn't want to upset BIL but he doesn't want him having access to our car. It ended with FIL telling DH to go fuck himself and to get someone to come and collect our car off his drive way that night. Whilst all this is going on, BIL sends a message to DH saying our car drives like a dream to further antagonise the situation.

I phone my parents and ask them (1.5 hour round trip) if they would mind collecting the car from FIL and driving it to MIL's house as she has space in her garage for it. My parents kindly agreed to do so. DH messages FIL to say that my parents will collect the car from him when he's ready. A few minutes later, FIL messages DH and says that the car isn't ours, it's his. He's keeping it and then he transferred our money back to us. So now we have no car.

We suspect FIL will end up giving BIL the car. We now also suspect that BIL was probably always going to use our car instead of his own (on its way out) secretly before we return to the UK.

AIBU to think FIL and BIL have both acted like twats? DH is really upset that his father has treated him this way and I'm furious at the way FIL has spoken to DH. I'm sure in time, DH will forgive them both which is fine but AIBU to want nothing more to do with them?

Thank you if you've made it this far 🙏

This.

My ex-husband and all his brothers are totally lazy and feckless people but are all good drivers 🤷‍♀️

Your husband was totally weird not letting his brother drive the car, especially as he and FIL were doing a massive favour for you guys.

only the person named on the log book can decide who the car belongs to, or decide to buy or sell. If FIL had his name in the log book all along then he didn’t “take” the car at all.

In what way is it relevant?

It’s probably the most relevant question that’s been asked

I'm sorry but why were you so anti BIL driving the car? Is he a dangerous driver? I mean he can be feckless and lazy but why does it matter that he borrows the car (especially if he was going to potentially buy it anyway at the end).
FIL seems to have done a lot for you guys here and I am not sure I quite understand why everyone got so angry so quickly over this.
Frankly all of you are unreasonable ! I think you/DG overreacted to BIL and FIL and then FIL overreacted to you!

I don't know the exact details but from what I can gather, BIL's car is on its way out and would need to be in the garage for repairs. He'd be without his car for more than a few hours. In this time, he assumed he would be using our car.

Neither DH or I trust BIL with the car. Would he think twice about having a few drinks and driving home down the road? No. Would he think twice about having a Tinder date in the car? No. In fact, he'd probably boast about it. Yes, he really is that immature 🤢 So no we don't want him using the car.

FIl was doing us a favour because he offered and like I said, he would be upset if he wasn't the one to help us. We never expected or wanted BIL involved. He wasn't until he went with FIL to collect the car.

Anyway, what's done is done. We'll find a car when we're back.