to not have realised how abusive and horrible men were until I joined MN

This site is obviously very skewed, though. As has been said, people aren't posting about their happy times. There are also a LOT of trolls and made up stories. Life isn't as grim as this site would like you to think.

The lack of awareness here is absolutely tragic. Ever heard of male pattern offending? Male offending is more serious, persistent and violent (Lanctot and LeBlane, 2002).

Interestingly men haven't needed to organise reclaim the night marches because they can't step out of their homes in the evenings without justified fear of harassment, violence and sexual assault by women.

Nor have they needed to build a refuge movement because of the commonplace experience of repeated serious assaults in their homes.

Its shameful is what it is. Spending all day on MN peddling their agenda, hindering discussion of a serious subject, not even acknowledging posts from women survivors on this very thread, as though those women didn't even speak. Spineless failure to engage when it's another man disagreeing with them, not even a peep out of them to challenges from men, was there? Yet still badgering away for the attention of the female posters. They should be ashamed.

Currently In the UK women forcing men to have sex with them without consent is not legally classed as rape no

so Rebecca Joynes, the high school teacher who had sex with 2 of the children in her school is not on trial for rape but sexual assault

if it was a male teacher he would be classed as a rapist and he would face up to life in gaol. The female teacher a maximum of 10 years for sexual assault.

in the US women who force men to have sex without their consent are guilty of rape

Absolutely this

app.independent.co.uk/2024/05/16/britains-kindest-plumber-apologises-for-fake-stories/content.html

What's that American saying, "a hit dog hollers"?

Seems like we have a lot of hollering dogs on this thread, who apparently have had their tails stood on.

What's funny is that they are literally the type of men the OP is referring to, and they don't realise how obvious it is to all of us.

Do you not consider one murdered woman to be one too many? How many women do have to be murdered by men for it to be of any concern to you? 800,000? 8,000,000? After all £8million divided between the world's population would still be only pennies each so by your logic, 8,000,000 women murdered by men would still be insignificant to you.

Oh, that's ok then. Next time a woman goes to the police to report DV they can just be told that they are statistically insignificant and be sent on their way.

Fuck me .. they're human beings, not £1 coins.

You've shown your true colours haven't you. You're not the least bit interested in violence against women are you, despite your assertion that you are just some kind of truth speaker defending both sexes.

If that's your view then, that it's not a lot, you are going to a lot of effort to defend men here.

I happen to think that 80,000 is a lot.

It’s huge when you compare it to the number of women killing men.

If 98% of killers were women not men you would be arguing that women need to be under a curfew.

It's obv a lot of women but proportionate to the human population of billions it isn't.

Would you say £80k divided between the population of the world is a lot?

@WalrusOfLove
“When you hate men so much, anybody that stands up for both sexes is a bigot in your eyes. Just like how some right wing nutjobs think that anyone that disagrees is a bleeding heart lefty.

Difference between me and most on here is I'll defend both sexes from bigotry”.

If the OP had been about whether men commit more violence against women than women do against men, your statistics about female DV against men would be relevant to the discussion.

This thread is NOT about that.
Nor is it about “all men”. (In fact, the OP, and multiple other posters, have explicitly said “some men”).
It’s specifically about those men who abuse women.

Why did you feel the need to defend men, on a thread about male abuse and violence against women?

What was it about women sharing their reactions to their own lived experiences of how some men have behaved towards them, towards women they know, or towards women who have posted for support and advice on these boards, that caused you to react so defensively?

That's okay!

Yes sorry I agree with what you said. I was trying to back you up. I should have tagged specifically.

You've quoted the wrong poster. Our dear friend, Walrus, is the one minimising the deaths of women and the violence of men towards women, and declaring what we are/are not allowed to talk about on this thread.

There are over 80,000 women killed by men every year. The ones we know about.

By any stretch of the imagination that is not rare.

The ability to minimise a figure that large takes some doing.

Not a lot because they've ignored all the other stats and links to cherry pick one, ignored everything that would show the bigger picture and provide any kind of context, ignored the avalanche of contradictory research and accepted thinking all the while not responding to the points put to them. Quite a feat.

My children just used to stick their fingers in their ears and scream blah blah blah but they grew out of it 👍

Lol, to summarise I meant exactly what I wrote, not whatever words you want to put in my mouth.

When you hate men so much, anybody that stands up for both sexes is a bigot in your eyes. Just like how some right wing nutjobs think that anyone that disagrees is a bleeding heart lefty.

Difference between me and most on here is I'll defend both sexes from bigotry.

Yes, and all my friends who are married to the "good guys" would be horrified to know that almost all their "good guy" husbands have hit on me.

If you want to be able to moan about men the topic you need to focus on is sexual assault because that's undeniable and I'd agree.

How insufferable. I don't want to moan about men, thanks. But if I did I wouldn't need your fecking permission to do so.

Another thread about men’s awful behaviour and the usual suspects defending them.

Had to laugh at the post starting with “Chap here” and ending with “NAMALT”.

At the end of the day a large number of men hurt women. A larger number of men think it’s ok to watch porn, make rapey or misogynistic jokes, harass women, and the majority of the “good guys” stand by and let it happen.

I’ve spent a good portion of my life working in male dominated environments. Most of those men think they’re the good guys. Their wives think they are the good guys. They are not.

@SpringerFall Your comments are flippant. I am fairly confident that the women and men who find themselves in terrible relationships with terrible people, did not chose them or have kids with them in that knowledge. Most people don’t show their worst side until further into relationships.

Glad you have it all sorted though.