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to not have realised how abusive and horrible men were until I joined MN

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geoger · 15/05/2024 20:04

Been on MN a while now and I must admit that it has really opened my eyes to how abusive and horrible some men are. I’m not ignorant, I know that men can be violent, controlling, abusive etc - I read loads, watch the news and documentaries but I just didn’t realise the depths of depravity some men reach. Every day there are threads where women are physically, emotionally, financially and sexually abused by their so called ‘d’ h/p that I find really worrying and distressing.
Some of these threads still play on my mind and I worry for the women who posted them.
I feel so stupid and naive and trusting. MN has really opened my eyes. Has anybody else experienced this worry for other women on here or am I just living in a bubble?
I know this is AIBU but please no bashing

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WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 11:54

hotpotlover · 18/05/2024 19:21

I've just told my husband about Walrus's advice to become better drivers. He replied: "That's definitely a man writing" 🤣

So you defer to a man's wisdom? 🤣

Irisginger · 19/05/2024 09:53

Or:

According to new analysis from The Guardian, male drivers in Great Britain are three times more likely than women to be involved in a road collision that injures or kills a pedestrian. (Source: RAC).

Irisginger · 19/05/2024 09:52

MrsJackThornton · 18/05/2024 19:47

Of course we are more likely to die in a car crash. If by that you mean, we are more likely to die than men because car safety has been designed for, and tested for men.

Not to mention:

Data from road safety charity Brake stated that men were more than three times as likely to break the speak limit compared to women.
The same survey revealed that 30% of men admitted to driving over 100mph compared to just 9% of women.

keffie12 · 18/05/2024 20:14

The stats are 1 in 4 women are abused at some stage in their lives. As a survivor from childhood and the ex, working alongside abused women, I've a lot of lived experience about what it is like, training, etc.

The aftermath is always with you. There are still 2-3 women on average being killed at the hands of a partner weekly. During lockdown, it was 4 in the U.K. alone.

Regarding men, there are charities that support men. There are 57 organisations for men and women to approach. Some are men only and some women only.

Womens Aid made a quota of their work and offices over to IDAS (Independently Domestic Abuse Services) 10 years ago as a matter of the equality act.

There are 108 male refuges in this country, and another 302 are for women.

1 in 4 women will experience partner abuse in their lifetime.

I support women, as I'm a woman, and I've lived experience as a female.

There are males employed to help and support men...

When you consider it has taken 50 years to get to this point of recognition/work, etc, with abuse on women, it's remarkable once accepted how quickly men's work in this area in roughly 10 years ago has spread.

The sad thing is there are still 2-3 women being killed now as there was 50 years ago. There is still so much to be done

MrsJackThornton · 18/05/2024 19:47

Of course we are more likely to die in a car crash. If by that you mean, we are more likely to die than men because car safety has been designed for, and tested for men.

SpicyMoth · 18/05/2024 19:35

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 17:20

I just don't think it's healthy to live your life in fear of being murdered. Being too scared to leave the house after a certain time etc.

Of course, if you've been abused and have trauma etc then that's a different matter, or if you live in a dodgy area. That's understandable. But I've met so many middle class educated women who've suddenly become terrified of daily life after reading a few articles, and they seem intent to spread this fear to other women. I notice that they are particularly hostile towards women that aren't scared of these things and that's the opposite of female empowerment.

If you're worried about your safety you're honestly better focusing on things like becoming a better driver as you're much more likely to be killed on the way to work than by a random bloke.

As just one example, a woman is raped every 18 minutes in India... That fun little statistic came out not long after that Spanish vlogger and her husband were beaten & robbed and she was gang raped by 7 men.
Just saying.
It's all well and good to say NAMALT, but some very much are.

hotpotlover · 18/05/2024 19:21

Irisginger · 18/05/2024 19:13

Zero chance you are a woman. Do you really think we can't tell. You are so desperate to blame women, you are in a state of utter denial about male pattern violence and it's impact on women's daily lives.

I've just told my husband about Walrus's advice to become better drivers. He replied: "That's definitely a man writing" 🤣

Irisginger · 18/05/2024 19:13

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 17:20

I just don't think it's healthy to live your life in fear of being murdered. Being too scared to leave the house after a certain time etc.

Of course, if you've been abused and have trauma etc then that's a different matter, or if you live in a dodgy area. That's understandable. But I've met so many middle class educated women who've suddenly become terrified of daily life after reading a few articles, and they seem intent to spread this fear to other women. I notice that they are particularly hostile towards women that aren't scared of these things and that's the opposite of female empowerment.

If you're worried about your safety you're honestly better focusing on things like becoming a better driver as you're much more likely to be killed on the way to work than by a random bloke.

Zero chance you are a woman. Do you really think we can't tell. You are so desperate to blame women, you are in a state of utter denial about male pattern violence and it's impact on women's daily lives.

hotpotlover · 18/05/2024 18:31

Being fearful to walk alone in secluded/dark places is not a new thing that's related reading some articles in the newspaper.

My mother was already aware of the dangers and she's in her 60s.

My mother actually told me about an incident where she was in a phone box, trying to call my father (when they first started dating). This happened during broad daylight in a very nice village.

A car with a couple of blokes inside stopped next to the phone box. I can't remember all the details but I think they tried to accost her/pull her inside the car. She managed to get away and run back home. This was over 40 years ago.

BIWI · 18/05/2024 17:35

Are you suggesting that those of us talking about fear, are imagining it @WalrusOfLove?

Or that somehow we're making it up for no reason other than to vilify men?

TBH, the more you post, the most distasteful and unpleasant I think your posts are becoming. You're starting to sound as if you're deliberately goading people here.

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 17:20

I just don't think it's healthy to live your life in fear of being murdered. Being too scared to leave the house after a certain time etc.

Of course, if you've been abused and have trauma etc then that's a different matter, or if you live in a dodgy area. That's understandable. But I've met so many middle class educated women who've suddenly become terrified of daily life after reading a few articles, and they seem intent to spread this fear to other women. I notice that they are particularly hostile towards women that aren't scared of these things and that's the opposite of female empowerment.

If you're worried about your safety you're honestly better focusing on things like becoming a better driver as you're much more likely to be killed on the way to work than by a random bloke.

MrsJackThornton · 18/05/2024 16:08

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/05/2024 15:01

There's very little support for men so it's unsurprising they don't bother.

Why don't you start a charity or a support group for males affecting by all this violence at the hands of females? Seeing as there's so little support.

Well exactly

SabreIsMyFave · 18/05/2024 15:36

5128gap · 18/05/2024 12:07

I doubt Walrus has given a thought to male suicide until he decided to make use of it as a weapon in an increasingly desperate attempt to hide male violence behind falsehoods about women. Anyone who was remotely concerned about the issue would at minimum have knowledge of the risk factors, and if not 'walking the walk' as they themselves put it, and doing something practical to help, would at least not be hindering things with false information.

Yep this. ^ 👏

PickAChew · 18/05/2024 15:22

Why is a neuroscientist wading in on the subject of domestic violence statistics? They are no more expert on the matter than a rheumatologist or, for example, a chemical engineer.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/05/2024 15:02

*affected

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/05/2024 15:01

There's very little support for men so it's unsurprising they don't bother.

Why don't you start a charity or a support group for males affecting by all this violence at the hands of females? Seeing as there's so little support.

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 14:23

5128gap · 18/05/2024 13:01

I can signpost you to a report by the Samaritans, the only uk agency that collects all available data on suicide, that will demonstrate that your comments on that issue are false if that helps.

How can you know people's motives if they don't discuss them, as is the case with men?

I'm more talking about DV stats. Only crime data shows women being slightly more victimised. Thousands of other studies show the opposite, and DV charities repeatedly state that men are very reluctant to report (only 5% of victims receiving help).

There's very little support for men so it's unsurprising they don't bother. It's like how many women don't report rape because they know it won't likely go anywhere.

Honest question. Do you think the panel of industry renowned DV experts lied about their findings? That the data gleaned from 1700 peer reviewed studies was just incidental/a coincidence?

Posters seem to be trying their best to dodge addressing this.

skyfairy · 18/05/2024 14:16

vivainsomnia · 18/05/2024 13:20

Some people have a chronic lack of self awareness
Indeed, that seems to apply to many posters here too.

Men and women have equally ways to be hurtful. It might not be the same approach but they both know how to induce pain on those they want punished!

But beating and stomping and strangling them to death does seem to be more in the male domain.

vivainsomnia · 18/05/2024 13:20

Some people have a chronic lack of self awareness
Indeed, that seems to apply to many posters here too.

Men and women have equally ways to be hurtful. It might not be the same approach but they both know how to induce pain on those they want punished!

Newdawnfreedom · 18/05/2024 13:14

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 12:51

It's odd that I'm the only one who seems to be able to back up my claims with data.

How does the latest information from the office for national statistics back up your claim exactly?

In the year ending March 2023, the victim was female in 73.5% of domestic abuse-related crimes

Between the year ending March 2020 and the year ending March 2022, 67.3% of victims of domestic homicide were female compared with 12.1% of victims of non-domestic homicide.

5128gap · 18/05/2024 13:01

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 12:51

It's odd that I'm the only one who seems to be able to back up my claims with data.

I can signpost you to a report by the Samaritans, the only uk agency that collects all available data on suicide, that will demonstrate that your comments on that issue are false if that helps.

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 12:51

It's odd that I'm the only one who seems to be able to back up my claims with data.

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 12:50

A lot of women hit men in the knowledge that they won't get hit back due to fear of social stigma.

WalrusOfLove · 18/05/2024 12:49

The people who actually read the stats have known this for years...

Bruised and battered husbands have been complaining for years and now the biggest research project of its kind has proved them right. When it comes to domestic confrontation, women are more violent than men.

The study, which challenges the long-standing view that women are overwhelmingly the victims of aggression, is based on an analysis of 34,000 men and women by a British academic. Women lash out more frequently than their husbands or boyfriends, concludes John Archer, professor of psychology at the University of Central Lancashire and president of the International Society for Research on Aggression.

Professor Archer analysed data from 82 US and UK studies on relationship violence, dating back to 1972. He also looked at 17 studies based on victim reports from 1,140 men and women. Speaking last night, he said that female aggression was greater in westernised women because they were "economically emancipated" and therefore not afraid of ending a relationship.

"Feminist writers say most of the acts against men are not important but the same people have used the same surveys to inflate the number of women who are attacked," he said. "In the past it would not even have been considered that women are violent. My view is that you must base social policy on the whole evidence."

His views are supported by Dr Malcolm George, a lecturer in neuroscience at London University. In a paper to be published next year in the Journal of Men's Studies, Dr George will argue that men have been abused by their wives since Elizabethan times. He uses examples such as the actor John Wayne, beaten by his wife Conchita Martinez, and Humphrey Bogart battered by his wife Mayo Methot, as well as Abraham Lincoln whose wife Mary who broke his nose with a lump of wood.

His research is backed up by historical records which show that men who were beaten by their wives were publicly humiliated in a ceremony called a "skimmington procession". The procession was named after the ladle used to skim milk during cheese making.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html

Women are more violent, says study

Bruised and battered husbands have been complaining for years and now the biggest research project of its kind has proved them right. When it comes to domestic confrontation, women are more violent than men.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html

BigGlassHouseWithAView · 18/05/2024 12:45

skyfairy · 18/05/2024 12:36

It really is curiouser and curiouser. How does one man or woman truck driver, driving 10 hours a day Mon-Fri, manage to find so much time to post such lengthy screeds on MN, and almost all of them quoting statistics proving women and girls are in fact more violent than men.

As well as ‘her’ work on the building site and going to the gym after don’t forget. ‘She’ also fits in mentoring young men as well and is a role model to them. 🤣🤣🤣

Busy, busy.

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