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Salt burn makes me worry for poor kids at ‘posh’ unis.

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Pippetypoppity · 15/05/2024 11:56

Im beginning to think certain Universities have much wealthier students on average and a kid from a poorer background would have a hard time perhaps ? Oliver in Saltburn was almost ostracised. Dc is looking at Exeter and Bath as favs. Not going to have any of the spending money, nice things from home the private school kids there will have I’m guessing. Will they have a hard time and be excluded in any way do you think. Horrible to think that as pretty shy and socially awkward anyway 🥹.

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JJathome · 15/05/2024 17:47

I also think there is another way to look at it. You want your child to be prepared for working life. To be able to mix with all demographics, with comfort. Not have a life where they are intimidated by those different to them, and that they can only spend their life with thise whose parents were in similar circumstances. That is tragic.

and uni is the perfect place to meet and get to know folks from all walks of life.

some shite has been spoken on this thread, stereotypes chucked about. Some hilarious, some just sad.

we should want our kids to be comfortable to mix with all people. To judge them on their own merits. Not teach them to fear those who had different upbringings.

Wisenotboring · 15/05/2024 17:47

I went to a posh uni from a modest background. I consider it to be beneficial to have been exposed to the wisest range of people/experiences as possible. There was a little bit of a learning curve at things like formal dinners etc but I learnt quickly and it helped.me become confident with all.places and people. I'm sure I generally gravitated to people more like myself, but I guess that often happens. I have 3 particularly close friends from uni. 2 from state comps like myself and 1 from public boarding school. It didn't matter then and doesn't now.
I would say, that even despite this experience my social background still left me a bit naive to make the most of some situations and opportunities. Going to the 'university of poor grafters' would have made that even worse. Teach your child that they belong anywhere and to never think they are better or worse than anyone else. Being a snob isn't nice, but neither is being an inverted snob.
My own children have financial, social and cultural experiences that are a million miles from what I had. I will still encourage them to wholeheartedly go after whatever goal they have and not to be limited by where they come.from.

Goldenbear · 15/05/2024 17:45

Peppermintytea · 15/05/2024 15:34

Bath is fine. Exeter I would avoid if you're not rich.

Whatever happened to being ‘educated’, that used to be more relevant to uni life than being ‘rich’.

LookAtAllThoseRoses · 15/05/2024 17:44

IamSlave · 15/05/2024 17:38

Much comes down to the accmd you can afford, that's an instant filter right there.

All happened via room ballots at my college. Same price for everyone.

LookAtAllThoseRoses · 15/05/2024 17:40

aodirjjd · 15/05/2024 17:27

Did they expect you to call your mentors “parents”? The uni I turned down did and I cringed so bad when they told us this I nearly turned inside out. (I think she actually called herself a mummy at one point!).

I don't think anyone 'expected' you to address them by 'Mum' or 'Dad', it was just the informal language used for pairing up new students with ones who had been there longer. I still get Christmas cards from one of my mid-1990s 'children', now a middle-aged Korean-American lawyer in San Diego.

IamSlave · 15/05/2024 17:38

Much comes down to the accmd you can afford, that's an instant filter right there.

Ontopofthesunset · 15/05/2024 17:37

Well, so many people have pointed out that Saltburn is fiction, and not very good fiction at that. Oxford and Cambridge (DH and I each at one) weren't like that 40 years ago, and they aren't like it now (son just graduated from one) so I doubt they were like it 20 years ago.

There were more privately educated students 40 years ago than there are now, but even then most of them weren't super posh - a lot were on assisted place schemes or had bursaries at their schools. We had cliques at college but as far as I could see they weren't based on how posh you were; they were more about what you were studying and what you liked doing in your spare time (sports, drama, drinking). You didn't have to go to balls and I had one ballgown that my mum made for me, so rather cheap.

Actually I think films like Saltburn are rather damaging if anyone takes away from it that their child shouldn't apply to Oxford because of 'class'. Not that there are not many other fine universities, and we shouldn't fetishise Oxbridge.

RoseUnder · 15/05/2024 17:36

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/05/2024 17:32

You could look at it the other way round and think why would your dc deprive themselves of eh connections and opportunities that knowing 'posh' peers can bring- people spend hundreds of thousands on private schools to get that

Exactly. Lots of posters on this thread have given examples of 'posh' peers at university playing a role in their success, whether opening their eyes to a certain career they weren't aware of, or motivating them to do well so they can achieve similar things in life (eg wealth, travel, culture etc)

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 17:36

aodirjjd · 15/05/2024 17:30

I think what you are missing is the tiny classes and small colleges make it harder than the average uni to find your own tribe.

of course you are welcome to find friends outside of those settings like hobbies etc but it would be shit and lonely if none of your friends are in your halls /lessons.

There’s so much mixing though you’re never confined to one set one of people. It’s a bummer if you don’t immediately gel with people in your college, but a term is only 8 weeks - that’s not long enough to get to know anyone.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/05/2024 17:32

You could look at it the other way round and think why would your dc deprive themselves of eh connections and opportunities that knowing 'posh' peers can bring- people spend hundreds of thousands on private schools to get that

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 17:30

Globules · 15/05/2024 17:19

Particularly when you take into account that she was a happy go lucky girl who easily made friends in the town. She was central to our big group of friends. Not at all shy, but not over bearing. She was lovely.

She couldn't settle as she didn't have friends. She's the sort of person who would have tried. I remember she joined a few clubs. No one to be found.

Whereas I'd already had my new uni friend back to my home for a weekend week 8 of term 1.

She made the right call leaving Cambridge. Her first year at UCL was what the rest of our friendship group had experienced in our first year at uni.

I’ve no doubt she was lovely or that she made the right decision. Some people just don’t gel with their first choice. But there’s not any significant difference between the people UCL than at Cambridge.

aodirjjd · 15/05/2024 17:30

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 17:10

It takes a lot more than a term for some people to settle and find their tribe. I find it hard to believe there was no-one she could relate to at all, no-one from a similar background, interested in the same subject etc.

I think what you are missing is the tiny classes and small colleges make it harder than the average uni to find your own tribe.

of course you are welcome to find friends outside of those settings like hobbies etc but it would be shit and lonely if none of your friends are in your halls /lessons.

HalfSiblingsMadeContact · 15/05/2024 17:29

My eldest wasn't interested in Exeter largely because she felt so many of her private school cohort were looking at it and she wanted to get out of the bubble / not be labelled as part of that group. She was reluctant to consider Durham for the same reason, and although she eventually put it on her form (because the course itself ticked her boxes), she gave up waiting for an offer from them because she was had ones she liked better from elsewhere. Covid years so didn't visit any of them anyway.

aodirjjd · 15/05/2024 17:27

Globules · 15/05/2024 16:10

It was ever thus.

I turned down a place at Cambridge in the 90s, as the open day, interview, communication from 2nd year they wanted to mentor me before arrival and feel of the place, the accents of the students showing me round made me feel so poor. I knew this free school meals kid from a single parent family would never fit it.

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Did they expect you to call your mentors “parents”? The uni I turned down did and I cringed so bad when they told us this I nearly turned inside out. (I think she actually called herself a mummy at one point!).

Globules · 15/05/2024 17:19

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 17:10

It takes a lot more than a term for some people to settle and find their tribe. I find it hard to believe there was no-one she could relate to at all, no-one from a similar background, interested in the same subject etc.

Particularly when you take into account that she was a happy go lucky girl who easily made friends in the town. She was central to our big group of friends. Not at all shy, but not over bearing. She was lovely.

She couldn't settle as she didn't have friends. She's the sort of person who would have tried. I remember she joined a few clubs. No one to be found.

Whereas I'd already had my new uni friend back to my home for a weekend week 8 of term 1.

She made the right call leaving Cambridge. Her first year at UCL was what the rest of our friendship group had experienced in our first year at uni.

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 17:10

Globules · 15/05/2024 17:05

You have such innocence about life.

My friend went to Cambridge that year I rejected my place. She left after term 1. Couldn't relate to anyone and treated terribly by several fellow students.

She thrived at UCL the next year.

When she finally felt able to share her experience with me, I knew I'd made the right call.

It takes a lot more than a term for some people to settle and find their tribe. I find it hard to believe there was no-one she could relate to at all, no-one from a similar background, interested in the same subject etc.

SootikinSweep · 15/05/2024 17:09

Dd1 is in her first year at a RG uni with a reputation for being one of the more down-to-earth ones, but she did note that in the first term a big clique of privately-educated kids seemed to form, all of whom seemed to be connected to each other through friends of friends and of course social media before joining.

She said that now she’s got to know a lot of them, they’re mostly fine and lovely, although the most snobby account she’s related to me was that of her flatmate quite openly saying to a mutual flatmate ‘oh thank god someone else (in this flat) has been to private school’ 😆. I kid you not 😆 I did say to dd that you had to admire his openness!

Rather interestingly, she has noticed that the chap in question hasn’t really made many new friends since starting, as many of his ‘gang’ seem to stick together. A few have diversified however, and dd gets on brilliantly with them - in fact she considers them great friends now. Things have apparently settled down a lot. I told dd not to be ashamed of her state education or background, to understand that some (not all) of them are just shy because they haven’t mixed with kids in the wider world, and not to take it personally!

I think that to say that private school cliqueyness doesn’t happen is a bit naive - it can and it does - however uni is a great adventure, and an amazing journey in which there is a tribe for everyone.

Trixiefirecracker · 15/05/2024 17:06

I mean Saltburn is not a documentary and even if it was it was set over 20 years ago and it was the middle class kid who was the psychopath not the posh ones…. Plus bath and Exeter are not Oxford….

Globules · 15/05/2024 17:05

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 15/05/2024 16:19

You would have been fine, and you shot yourself soundly in the foot, there, mate.

Inverted snobbery is foolish.

You have such innocence about life.

My friend went to Cambridge that year I rejected my place. She left after term 1. Couldn't relate to anyone and treated terribly by several fellow students.

She thrived at UCL the next year.

When she finally felt able to share her experience with me, I knew I'd made the right call.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 15/05/2024 17:03

PadstowGirl · 15/05/2024 16:37

I went to a posh uni as a state school kid with a very "not posh" accent. It was in the 1980s and it was fine, I even married a posh lad!!
Having said that there is something weird going on at Durham, I know several of my DCs friends (ranging from all backgrounds) have complained of outrageous snobbery there. Several have quit.

I’ve heard that about Durham — even faculty making fun of local/northern accents. Sounds awful.

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 17:03

buttercupcake · 15/05/2024 17:00

My son is at a Uni where he’s very much in the minority. The majority of students have been privately educated and are incredibly wealthy. He’s had no problems whatsoever and has a very large friendship group.

Which uni has a majority private school intake? The highest is Durham.

buttercupcake · 15/05/2024 17:00

My son is at a Uni where he’s very much in the minority. The majority of students have been privately educated and are incredibly wealthy. He’s had no problems whatsoever and has a very large friendship group.

Luio · 15/05/2024 17:00

The vast majority of students at all UK universities come from state schools. The media portray a very skewed image of what private schools are like. In reality they are much more of a mixed bag. A lot of private schools are special school. Very few are like Eton and the ones that are have a high percentage of international pupils who don’t fit the stereotype either.

Mirabai · 15/05/2024 16:55

LilacK · 15/05/2024 16:33

Thing is, there are plenty of people on MN who don't want their kids going to state secondary because they think they'll be 'eaten alive' to coin a popular phrase on here, so this thread is interesting.

Not as many as those who seem to think their kids will be “eaten alive” by the poshos.

RoseUnder · 15/05/2024 16:55

Whatever your background, university can be the first opportunity to learn about the different 'markers', the unsaid and unwritten behaviours that can help you better understand an individual or a social group, and decide how you want to engage with them.

This is an invaluable thing to learn as you go through life. After university, the opportunities to spend as much time with a more diverse group tend to shrink. Unless you have no desire to meet people with different behaviours / backgrounds to yours, that is!

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