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Step father / step son relationship

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Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 09:48

I am really struggling. DP and I have 2 children (primary school age) I have an 18 year old son that lives full time with us. My son is admittedly very messy but my DP is always pissed off with him and I just can’t do it anymore. I feel like I’m constantly going into the kitchen to make sure he’s washed his pots properly or I’m tidying around after him so DP doesn’t get annoyed. The problem I have is that I don’t know if my DS is worse than other teenagers or if my DP needs to get over it because it’s just typical behaviour. I’m going to list a few of the things he’s done that DP has been angry about and hope people give their opinion because at the moment I feel like I may have to end my relationship with DP and he says it’s not fair that he should lose his family because of this but then why should I have to deal with him being angry and be anxious all the time that he’s going to find something that displeases him?

He cooks late at night when he gets him from friends houses, last night it was 11pm. DP was banging around and I knew he was looking for something he has done wrong, he came to bed angry that he had got burger fat all over the cupboard / oven door and hadn’t used the right utensils etc (I’m not sure if this was the case or how bad it was because I had gone to bed)

He had friends over without asking and DP claims they knocked some of his fishing tackle down the cellar stairs and that it was all scratched, again I haven’t seen how bad the damage is.

He is messy, leaves messes in the counter etc (he has started wiping up after I spoke to him)

He eats a lot! Like mountains of cereal and tuna etc.

DP gets / has gotten angry when DS has eaten something intended for us but I have always defended this tbh as I don’t think it’s fair if you haven’t written your name on it or expressed that it shouldn’t be eaten.

He used metal utensils on non stick air fryer and expensive pans and scratched them. DP used to claim son was scratching the sideboards but I showed him how easily they get scratched even with cardboard etc. DP said air fryer was ruined but we’re still using it 1 year after that incident.

DS is lazy, difficult to explain but moves around very slowly and doesn’t seem to be able to find a stable PT job although he does go to college.

Last night DP says son treats it like a doss house ‘cooking at 11pm’ making a mess and ruining his stuff (brought up from previous incident) I felt like he was looking for stuff to be annoyed about because he asked if our son had enjoyed a particular snack that he saw the rubbish for in the bin, I believe he thought my teenager had eaten the snack but actually it had been our DS - regardless though my son should be able to eat surely?!? I should add that DS did buy his own burgers and I have spoken to him lots of times about being messy etc but he’s my son at the end of the day. DP is also really messy! Leaves cups lying around, protein powder spilt on the side, he ruined my lino the other day moving the washing machine etc and I’m always really pragmatic and say ‘don’t worry accidents happen, I just wish you were more forgiving when they happen to other people’ but he isn’t going to stop getting pissed off about it all so it’s a pretty sad situation really.

Help?

edited to add that I can’t carry on like this, the last time he was cross about something I believe I had a panic attack and I just couldn’t breathe. It’s incredibly triggering for me because I walked on eggshells as a child and used to lay in bed covering my ears in case someone had done something to upset my Dad and I find myself doing that - last night whilst I could hear OH downstairs opening cupboards etc and knew there was going to be a problem. Even if people think my son is 110% the problem I’m not sure what more I can do to change him, I’ve spoken to him and do believe he is slightly better.

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YaMuvva · 15/05/2024 12:08

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:47

😂 I’m not particularly careful with stuff either which hasn’t helped. I suspect a lot of the scratching of pans etc may have even been me and I have said that. I think the first few replies have thrown me so I’m very grateful for those of you that are more forgiving of teenage behaviours. I feel a bit better.

Honestly OP MN seems to hate teenage boys for some reason. It’s very odd and I spot it everywhere

Teenagers are by their very nature selfish and thoughtless. There’s a difference between leaving the mess because “Well it’s time to eat my burger innit” and “I’m not cleaning that up because I’m a prick and mum can do it”. No teen is perfect but if hes reached 18 and is able to go to college and cook for himself, that’s a lot a teen parents dreams! So what if he moves slow, bless him.

Everintroverte · 15/05/2024 12:04

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:32

I’m just stood in my kitchen looking at all the weights my OH has in here. He encouraged me to say that son’s weightlifting in the kitchen is untenable (it was really) and he’s joined a gym. Just wondering at what point did I think it was normal that my OH would then want to do weights in the kitchen / yard. Mug springs to mind.

Edited

This is ridiculous! He complained about son's weights in the kitchen and you supported by encouraging son to join a gym only to then have partners weights in the kitchen because that's somehow different? Typical arsehole behaviour.

I would be cross too but you are not a mug, sounds like you have been trying to keep everyone happy. Surprised that your son hasnt pointed this out though.

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 12:01

TargetPractice11 · 15/05/2024 11:11

Agree with this.

DS sounds like a normal 18 year old. He has some growing up to do, but he doesn't deserve to be nitpicked to death.

DP has no business moaning constantly and looking for fault like that. He sounds like a bully.

If you feel on edge then it speaks to the toxic dynamics in your home.

If DS improved, I suspect DP would find something else to moan about.

I think you’re right because if I solve a problem there will be another one! For example if I say no cooking after 9pm he will likely make himself some tuna and that will be an issue because it smells / he wastes some / doesn’t wash the tin out properly etc etc. no one wants to be told they can’t eat after 9pm surely?

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Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:57

ohthejoys21 · 15/05/2024 11:50

At 18 they are nowhere near being an adult in their brain development. He sounds like a typical teen. Eats a lot? I'd be delighted he's growing and needs it! My dd is 26 and still living at home (moving out soon). She has too many annoying habits to list.

Dh (her stepdad) gets frustrated but is a tolerant person, so if she comes in late and leaves a few things out in the kitchen, he'll do it in the morning! Not his job but then there are worse things! I'd really struggle with this and would be interested to know if he'd feel the same when his own kids are 18!

He sounds like a good guy, I’m happy for you genuinely.

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OhmygodDont · 15/05/2024 11:54

So basically oh can be messy, lazy, damage things accidentally, have weights in the kitchen.

But is ds does any of those things it’s a huge deal. While he also has a bad relationship with his own step father? Did I read.

The oh definitely needs to go. His such a hypocrite and a bully.

ohthejoys21 · 15/05/2024 11:50

At 18 they are nowhere near being an adult in their brain development. He sounds like a typical teen. Eats a lot? I'd be delighted he's growing and needs it! My dd is 26 and still living at home (moving out soon). She has too many annoying habits to list.

Dh (her stepdad) gets frustrated but is a tolerant person, so if she comes in late and leaves a few things out in the kitchen, he'll do it in the morning! Not his job but then there are worse things! I'd really struggle with this and would be interested to know if he'd feel the same when his own kids are 18!

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:47

YaMuvva · 15/05/2024 11:44

Absolutely! He should have been kinder if he didn’t wanna lose his family.

FWIW I never understand what utensils to use with which pans I just chuck the food in and get on with it. And I’m in my 40’s

😂 I’m not particularly careful with stuff either which hasn’t helped. I suspect a lot of the scratching of pans etc may have even been me and I have said that. I think the first few replies have thrown me so I’m very grateful for those of you that are more forgiving of teenage behaviours. I feel a bit better.

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Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:44

JustAnotherManicMomday · 15/05/2024 11:42

Personally it sounds like your partner is a control freak, what happens when your eldest has enough and moves out, will he start picking on the things you do and at or on he other children? He sounds abusive to me.

Your child should be able to cook if his hungry and been out all day. Food is there to be eaten and unless told to ask first before taking certain things that's part of life. Did he have a go at your other child regarding the snack or did he just stop when he found out his own child had eaten it.

How was their relationship prior to marriage, further kids and living together? Personally struggling to see the attraction to this man if this is how he treats your son. My fiance is not my eldest father biologically but he treats our messy 17 year old who never does anything without a fuss far better. Thank heavens he does otherwise our wedding would be called off.

We’re not married, they’ve never been close. I have an older daughter who has left home who he had a better relationship with. He stopped as soon as I said our son had eaten it. I do call OH out just so you know. I said “Did you think DS had eaten it? Is that why you’re asking?” He denied it and said he just wondered because son was looking forward to it! I don’t believe him.

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YaMuvva · 15/05/2024 11:44

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:21

It’s my house. That’s comical really isn’t it? Bought in cash whilst in a relationship with him but not living together. Of course he’s paid for appliances, pots, pans etc but the deeds are in my name. He’ll say he has nowhere to go, he doesn’t but that’s hardly my fault.

Absolutely! He should have been kinder if he didn’t wanna lose his family.

FWIW I never understand what utensils to use with which pans I just chuck the food in and get on with it. And I’m in my 40’s

Maray1967 · 15/05/2024 11:42

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 15/05/2024 10:16

I'm with your DH on this. At 18 youshould be able to clean up after yourself, respect items in the home and have some consideration. If he is hungry at 11pm, he should quietly make himself a sandwich.

I don’t allow DS23 to cook after about 9 - it’s inconsiderate, and to be fair he’s never really done it. He batch cooks his lunches and is usually doing it around 9 and cleared up by 10.

On the other hand, we’ve both scratched our pans with the wrong utensils, and if your OH has damaged the Lino I’d be going on about that. I’d pull him up on going around looking for something to have a go at your DS for - that’s pathetic.

Angelsrose · 15/05/2024 11:42

Dump your OH and ask him to move out, the house isn't even his. Even if your son is in the wrong, your OH is a total bully and is trying to lay down the law in a house he hasn't paid for. Your son is clearly trying to improve and your instincts to support and guide your son are clearly correct.

JustAnotherManicMomday · 15/05/2024 11:42

Personally it sounds like your partner is a control freak, what happens when your eldest has enough and moves out, will he start picking on the things you do and at or on he other children? He sounds abusive to me.

Your child should be able to cook if his hungry and been out all day. Food is there to be eaten and unless told to ask first before taking certain things that's part of life. Did he have a go at your other child regarding the snack or did he just stop when he found out his own child had eaten it.

How was their relationship prior to marriage, further kids and living together? Personally struggling to see the attraction to this man if this is how he treats your son. My fiance is not my eldest father biologically but he treats our messy 17 year old who never does anything without a fuss far better. Thank heavens he does otherwise our wedding would be called off.

Missingintranslation · 15/05/2024 11:37

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:30

Thank you. I am more confused than ever. OH hasn’t called me as he does every day so clearly feels he’s the wronged party. It’s not really something I can sort is it? I’m not willing to remove son from home, happy for OH to lay the law down a bit with him and help him and guide him but he isn’t. I’ve spoken to son and I feel there are improvements. We’ll see what happens when IH comes home, you would think he would want to either leave or speak to son if it’s that bad but he just wants to be angry, have me upset and anxious and then carry on as normal until the next ‘incident’.

Yeah, my first opinion still stands. In a nutshell - "husband can fuck off with his manchild tantrums"

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:32

SoLookUpTonight · 15/05/2024 11:27

I’m really glad to hear that OP.

He’ll have to find somewhere else, not your problem. If you decide to end things, and imo you should, don’t let him guilt you.

I’m just stood in my kitchen looking at all the weights my OH has in here. He encouraged me to say that son’s weightlifting in the kitchen is untenable (it was really) and he’s joined a gym. Just wondering at what point did I think it was normal that my OH would then want to do weights in the kitchen / yard. Mug springs to mind.

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DillyDilly · 15/05/2024 11:31

I’m on your DS’s side, perhaps he could clean up after himself a little more, perhaps he could ask before bringing friends aletc -but it seems as if he does try and he is your DS and he’s only 18. What does your DP expect you to do - throw your DS out ?? You’re hardly going to do that.

The incident with the utensils scraping the non stick pan - purely accidental I’m sure and not being aware of the correct utensils to use. Your DH sounds a little like a bully’s - following your DS around, waiting to catch him out on something.

Fortunately for you, you are not married to this man and own your home yourself.

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:30

Missingintranslation · 15/05/2024 11:26

OP, I've read all of your posts, you sound exactly like me.

Keep that in mind mind for the next bit because I say this with kindness - you've already decided what your going to do.

You don't need to make a post to confirm your right in your choices. Search your heart. The feeling you described isn't just anxiety, because I've felt it too. It's the triggering of your fight or flight mode, and the crushing heart palpitations when you hear a tone change, or banging around is so horrible, noone should have to live like that.

On the offchance I'm wrong, the only way to salvage everything is to sit down with your dh, and go through examples and how it made you feel. Surely a loving partner wouldn't want their other half scared and anxious all the time? Tell him his unwillingness to listen to you and communicate meaningfully can result in the end of the relationship, so he'd better actually engage with this. You have to be strong, because it's the only way to salvage what you two had.

Thank you. I am more confused than ever. OH hasn’t called me as he does every day so clearly feels he’s the wronged party. It’s not really something I can sort is it? I’m not willing to remove son from home, happy for OH to lay the law down a bit with him and help him and guide him but he isn’t. I’ve spoken to son and I feel there are improvements. We’ll see what happens when IH comes home, you would think he would want to either leave or speak to son if it’s that bad but he just wants to be angry, have me upset and anxious and then carry on as normal until the next ‘incident’.

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60andsomething · 15/05/2024 11:29

I am team son

SoLookUpTonight · 15/05/2024 11:27

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:21

It’s my house. That’s comical really isn’t it? Bought in cash whilst in a relationship with him but not living together. Of course he’s paid for appliances, pots, pans etc but the deeds are in my name. He’ll say he has nowhere to go, he doesn’t but that’s hardly my fault.

I’m really glad to hear that OP.

He’ll have to find somewhere else, not your problem. If you decide to end things, and imo you should, don’t let him guilt you.

Missingintranslation · 15/05/2024 11:26

OP, I've read all of your posts, you sound exactly like me.

Keep that in mind mind for the next bit because I say this with kindness - you've already decided what your going to do.

You don't need to make a post to confirm your right in your choices. Search your heart. The feeling you described isn't just anxiety, because I've felt it too. It's the triggering of your fight or flight mode, and the crushing heart palpitations when you hear a tone change, or banging around is so horrible, noone should have to live like that.

On the offchance I'm wrong, the only way to salvage everything is to sit down with your dh, and go through examples and how it made you feel. Surely a loving partner wouldn't want their other half scared and anxious all the time? Tell him his unwillingness to listen to you and communicate meaningfully can result in the end of the relationship, so he'd better actually engage with this. You have to be strong, because it's the only way to salvage what you two had.

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:25

LutonBeds · 15/05/2024 11:07

Hmmm…. I wouldn’t be impressed with someone cooking at 11pm; I work shifts and need my sleep! It’s just considerate when you live with other people to not make noise and mess at night. You shouldn’t be tidying after your DS either, at 18 he should be doing that himself.

My ex-DSD sounds like your DS. Her DF never disciplined her about it (she lived with us but her DM lived very close). The reason she lived with us was because her DM made her contribute to chores. When she went to uni she was in a shared house, after the first year the others refused to share with her again as she did no tidying of communal areas and wouldn’t even wash up her dirty dishes.

11pm isn’t usual tbh he had been out with friends and it really wasn’t noisy but I agree he needs to not cook that late really. He does wash his pots and wipe up but it’s the way a young person does and when I say I go in it’s usually only to check and clean it to my standard, he’s isn’t leaving pots in the sink.

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pastaforever · 15/05/2024 11:25

I wouldn't like the cooking late at night and damaging stuff. However eating a lot and moving slowly? That just sounds like typical teen/human behaviour. I wonder if your dh will be so harsh on his own child if and when he starts exhibiting similar behaviour.

There is fault on both sides and I think you definitely need to get your son to stick to a few more boundaries, however I doubt it will ever be enough for your dh and personally I couldn't live on eggshells wondering when the next row or complaint is going to erupt.

My dh and ds sometimes clash but I always try to make sure they sort things out quickly. I can't live in a constant toxic atmosphere.

Weddingbells6 · 15/05/2024 11:21

YaMuvva · 15/05/2024 11:19

Your partner is being a total bully. A nasty bully licking on those weaker than him, like bullies do.

He has ridiculous expectations of an 18yo. Some 18yo’s are coming home at 1am drugged go to the eyeballs, abuse their parents and smash things up. Cooking at 11 isn’t disruptive and a big of burger fat / so what. Mess can be cleaned.

Leave now before he started to bully your other children or before your 18yo decides he had a hellish home life and his mum just put up with it. The younger kids will also be picking up on the bullying BTW and this will be the benchmark they’ll learn about relationships.

It’s my house. That’s comical really isn’t it? Bought in cash whilst in a relationship with him but not living together. Of course he’s paid for appliances, pots, pans etc but the deeds are in my name. He’ll say he has nowhere to go, he doesn’t but that’s hardly my fault.

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YaMuvva · 15/05/2024 11:19

Your partner is being a total bully. A nasty bully licking on those weaker than him, like bullies do.

He has ridiculous expectations of an 18yo. Some 18yo’s are coming home at 1am drugged go to the eyeballs, abuse their parents and smash things up. Cooking at 11 isn’t disruptive and a big of burger fat / so what. Mess can be cleaned.

Leave now before he started to bully your other children or before your 18yo decides he had a hellish home life and his mum just put up with it. The younger kids will also be picking up on the bullying BTW and this will be the benchmark they’ll learn about relationships.

SoLookUpTonight · 15/05/2024 11:19

If DS improved, I suspect DP would find something else to moan about.

He definitely would, it’s what his sort do. My brother and me were pretty much perfect because were were scared to death of what our dad would do if something wasn’t up to his standard when he felt like being a bully. He still found fault. We both left home at 17/18 because it was so miserable living there. He was also a hypocrite, left mess everywhere.

SoLookUpTonight · 15/05/2024 11:12

Your partner is nothing but a nasty bully, checking everything over to find a problem with anything and everything that your son does.

My dad was like this, finding faults with everything we did and then went off to tell my mum hoping she’d team up with him. Absolute bastard. If she didn’t team up with him, he’d sulk.

Put your kids first and get rid of this bullying bastard before he ruins your relationship with your children.