Single sex schools - PT2

I can see a link to a Daily mail article which quotes several isolated pieces of information from a study.

I don't see a link to the study. It doesn't even say what year the study was done in.

60% schools in Ireland are single sex.

The Daily Mail news article was linked but not the actual research on which they said it was based. I couldn’t find the research on the web.

This is a discussion about the same study the OP refers to.

But we still don't have a link to it. Or even the year the study was carried out.

On no planet would I send my daughters to a mixed secondary school. Mixed primary is great. They don’t need to put up with this shit at their teen plus age. Plenty of time in life to interact with males more. In future they’ll be older, their brains developed and they will be better equipped to deal with any issues. They don’t need to do that now. They’re having a great time. Unlike cousins who are putting up with sexualisation and harassment every week.

I was at a mixed comprehensive. The education was crap, the school was crap, the boys, for the most part were ok. But there was a significant minority who were not. I don’t need my daughters to put up with that shit when they don’t have to.

https://www.thenewfeminist.co.uk/2021/07/we-need-to-talk-about-schools-dismissal-of-sexual-harassment-against-young-women/?amp=1

In June 2021, ITV’s coverage showed that sexual harassment had become normalised to the point where students did not see the point in reporting it. Even more worryingly, 150 victims of upskirting were children.

Victims are so used to enduring it, meanwhile teachers often underestimate the situation and therefore fail to report it. Not to our surprise, the default solution amongst schools seems to be to place the blame on the girls’ choice of clothing.

These responses have not been well received; Norwich Academy, as just one example, was recently criticised for its misogynistic advice to female students not to wear short skirts or coloured bras to avoid unwanted attention. It is a tale as old as time.

It’s quite difficult to find many recent studies, but here’s a recent one from Ireland which states “there is no difference in reading, mathematics or science performance between those attending single-sex or mixed-sex schools”.

https://bera-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/berj.3841

I think the point is that there is no widespread agreement on whether single sex schools are better for girls, and which is why many families actively avoid them.

https://www.tes.com/magazine/archive/girls-schools-biggest-bullies-breeding-ground#:~:text=Pupils%20at%20all%2Dgirls'%20schools,at%20their%20co%2Deducational%20counterparts.&text=Physical%20bullying%20is%20worst%20in,older%2C%20according%20to%20the%20study.

Here’s a link to the TES, which refers to a study (admittedly a few years old).

Yes, I'm definitely sceptical because it doesn't match my experience.

Which was why I wanted to see the study.

As the whole thread seems to be hanging on it, it would be a good place to start.

Did I miss the link to the study? Sorry, if so, I thought I'd checked.

Have you read it?

Or are you just quoting out of context fragments from the daily mail.

the data still shows that girls are significantly more likely to experience violence in single sex schools

Is the data you're referring to the one in your OP?

Because I won't be relying on a few out of context quotes (in the DM) from a study I've not seen.

Even the quotes in the article don't fully make sense. It reads like click bait.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/24/three-people-injured-at-welsh-school-and-one-arrested

In April 2024.

I‘m assuming you missed the headline news a couple of weeks ago?

Tell me about the last time a female pupil carried out a knife attack at school?

A quick google brings up quite a few cases where girls have been the perpetrators in cases involving serious violence.

I think as a country we need to be asking serious questions about why there is an increasing trend in schools for serious violence. I’m not sure it’s helpful to continually say “boys are violent” and just to remove girls from their company and think the problem is solved. Violent boys aren’t going to turn into lovely gentle men overnight. We need to deal with the problems rather than just saying “it’s ok, I’ll just remove my child from the problem”.

As a family, we use private education and are extremely lucky that we can access schools without serious behaviour problems. Protecting my children from awful behaviour in less desirable schools doesn’t mean the problem is solved though. We need to address children’s behaviour so that they become decent adults, for everyone’s sake.

I haven’t read the last thread, so sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but for a while using the “Diamond Model” seemed to be popular in some mixed independent schools. Simply put, it meant that certain subjects like maths, English and science were taught in single sex groups and others (history, languages, etc) were taught in mixed groups.

https://atomlearning.com/blog/diamond-schools

Dd is very happy and thriving in a ss school.

It does but why do girls schools have to be reduced or closed to achieve that? Why, in the absence of this problem being solved, can’t they stay in single sex schools where these exact issues are not present due to the absence of males?

It sounds like you see the role of women and girls as fixing men, supporting them and solving conundrums around their behaviour. They’re not. As a boy mum if you want to get involved in figuring out what’s behind teen boy violence then go ahead. But why should the girls?

You don't see any how looking at what leads boys to be aggressive (toward girls, boys, teachers, anyone) could actually benefit girls in the long term? You think this would only benefit the boys? The first approach to changing behaviour is to study it, to look for patterns, to ascertain what leads to some boys thinking it's ok to treat others like this. Ascertaining what is causing it DOES NOT justify it, but it does help to break patterns, sometimes generational, patterns and speak up against it. It will actually help girls speak up too. I find it shocking you don't see the link tbh, but I am trying not to make personal insults, so I accept we all come from a different point of understanding.

But this thread isn’t about what’s best for boys, or where their behaviour comes from, or how to solve it.

It’s about what’s. best. for. girls.

Deary me