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lanya · 15/05/2024 07:57

My DH goes to therapy twice a week. This is a very long term thing. He's been going for about 10 years once a week and upped it to twice a week last year.

This is now costing costs upwards of £7000 a year which is not a small chunk of our income.

I've needed therapy on and off too and I am in therapy at the moment, once a week, but I will stop when I am feeling better. I see therapy as something you do when you have a particular problem/ issue and the ideal is to live your life without it. He sees it as a long term thing.

I am really struggling with the amount of money we're spending on his therapy and I would like him to cut back to once a week but I feel I might be being unreasonable, as he does have depression and chronic health issues that he is dealing with.

He feels he needs it and it is helping, but I haven't seen any difference in him since he started going twice a week. He still gets just as depressed and seems to struggle just as much with life. I just feel like he is dependent on his therapist and it's a bit navel-gazing to be honest, I don't know if it's actually making a noticeable difference in his life anymore.

I haven't voiced any of this with him really because I want to be supportive and I respect that he feels he needs it.

We're not struggling to pay bills etc, it's just that we're not saving as much as we'd like to and this is probably our biggest cost. He complains about the cost if we get a takeaway etc. so I feel like we have to cut back on luxuries yet he is having huge amounts of therapy which cost a fortune.

AIBU to ask him to stop? What would you do?

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newnamenellie · 15/05/2024 12:25

lanya · 15/05/2024 12:24

I have spoken to him about that but he won't try a different form of therapy because he is very attached to the therapy he is having and his current therapist.

I think that says a lot...

lanya · 15/05/2024 12:24

newnamenellie · 15/05/2024 12:21

Would it be an option for him to try a different form of therapy?

PPs have correctly pointed out that psychoanalysis can be very long term and may be done multiple times per week instead of the standard once per week with most other treatments. It's possible that he could access the same benefits with a different form of therapy but it depends on why he is in psychoanalysis in the first place.

I have spoken to him about that but he won't try a different form of therapy because he is very attached to the therapy he is having and his current therapist.

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Octavia64 · 15/05/2024 12:22

The situation is complicated.

Psychodynamic therapy is traditionally 5 days a week so twice a week isn't unreasonable for that tradition.

If he earns the lions share of the joint money then maybe you could argue for a different financial set up where you both pay towards joint bills in proportion to your earnings and then the therapy cost comes out of "his" money and you can spend "your" money in takeaways.

Ezzee · 15/05/2024 12:22

RandomButtons · 15/05/2024 10:27

its important to point out this poster is trainee therapist- not a qualified therapist.

But agree with the sentiment. More therapy is not the answer here imo.

I also agree that more therapy is not the answer.
I have long term clients but we review a lot, look at goals, reflect, needs, look at endings if appropriate and always work towards this.
A good therapist will give their client the time and space they need but will also recognise when it has gone beyond therapeutic.
Is he using his therapy so he doesn't have to bring stress etc home OP?

newnamenellie · 15/05/2024 12:21

Would it be an option for him to try a different form of therapy?

PPs have correctly pointed out that psychoanalysis can be very long term and may be done multiple times per week instead of the standard once per week with most other treatments. It's possible that he could access the same benefits with a different form of therapy but it depends on why he is in psychoanalysis in the first place.

lanya · 15/05/2024 12:19

CharlotteRumpling · 15/05/2024 12:16

Right so he doesn't exercise willingly-which is well proven to help depression-and he won't look for another job. I have lost some sympathy. I would definitely not be giving up takeaways and holidays to enable his self soothing.

I mean I suppose the crux of my whole thread is that I'm losing a bit of sympathy/ patience with the therapy as well. I just don't know what to do.

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CharlotteRumpling · 15/05/2024 12:16

Right so he doesn't exercise willingly-which is well proven to help depression-and he won't look for another job. I have lost some sympathy. I would definitely not be giving up takeaways and holidays to enable his self soothing.

lanya · 15/05/2024 12:15

CharlotteRumpling · 15/05/2024 12:10

Yes, is it at all possible to change his job? I assume not.

Very much possible, but he would not want to. It's a very important job and although he finds it stressful he says it gives him purpose. He's very attached to it but I feel it impacts him quite negatively as well.

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lanya · 15/05/2024 12:13

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/05/2024 12:08

Perhaps he wouldn’t need to talk about his work stress or depression quite so much if he wasn’t spending £7,000+ a year on a therapist and could cut his work hours or find a less stressful job and give himself more time to focus on his wellbeing through relaxation and exercise.

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To be honest, that's the crux of what I believe and I would fully support him in cutting his hours and focussing on his wellbeing.

But I don't think he feels the same.

Even though his job is stressful and (I think) negatively impact his health, he says it gives him his sense of identity and purpose.

He hates exercising and only does it because he knows it makes me happy to see him doing it. If it wasn't for me I think he would just sit indoors and watch TV for 90% of his free time.

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Marketplacevirgin · 15/05/2024 12:12

Greyheronsarethebest · 15/05/2024 08:16

This is an insane amount of therapy (session/length wise) and not normal. Is it not effective? if he needs it, can he access it on the NHS? Can you share what is it for?

That is not a fact.

Many people who have psychoanalytic psychotherapy will go 2 or 3 times a week. People in traditional psychoanalysis will go 5 times a week. Nothing insane about it at all. It's not the same as seeing a short term counsellor / therapist.

CharlotteRumpling · 15/05/2024 12:10

Yes, is it at all possible to change his job? I assume not.

lanya · 15/05/2024 12:09

I would also say that I would be getting a takeaway (or other treats) if I want one & it's not for him to unilaterally decide what our disposable income can be spent on.

@CrappySack I know I could do this and I doubt that he would really argue, but he'd see therapy as a health need and a different thing to a takeaway.

And although we are married and pool all our resources, he earns the largest chunk of our joint money, by quite a long way.

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ComtesseDeSpair · 15/05/2024 12:08

Perhaps he wouldn’t need to talk about his work stress or depression quite so much if he wasn’t spending £7,000+ a year on a therapist and could cut his work hours or find a less stressful job and give himself more time to focus on his wellbeing through relaxation and exercise.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 15/05/2024 12:06

This is a really interesting thread, so many different experiences of therapy, and different types of therapy, it is difficult to compare like with like really.

Person centred psychotherapy once a week for 6 months is a totally treatment/way of working from e.g. 5 years of 3 to 5 times a week of psychoanalysis/psychoanalytic psychotherapy.

None of us are talking about the same thing.

I have had many years of intensive analytic therapy. My analyst's purpose is definitely not to validate nor soothe me.

Her purposes is to help me know all the parts of myself, as well as to know reality - which can be painful to accept - and to be with me to help me bear it.

As such, it has been one of the most painful and yet valuable experiences of my life.

I always laugh when people talk about therapy being to soothe/validate/allow people to navel gaze. I wish!

CharlotteRumpling · 15/05/2024 12:05

You might become his soother if he cuts down.

lanya · 15/05/2024 12:02

Thanks everyone for the input/ ideas/ suggestions.

I am a believer in therapy generally (hence having it myself), and when he tells me it has made a big difference to his life over the past decade I don't doubt that. I just don't I have seen any difference/ improvement since he increased it to two sessions a week. In fact since we met about 6 years ago he seems to have been more or less the same. I think all the improvement probably happened before that.

I think the main thing he talks about is work stress, health issues and about childhood (but no extreme trauma) - it is psychodynamic therapy so that is all part of it. He talks to me about everything as well, and I really don't think there is any huge event I don't know about. I think he just values the space to offload and feel soothed.

I'm concerned people are saying it's not best practice to have two sessions a week and I do kind of agree that he is using it to soothe himself and it isn't really going anywhere or working towards anything.

One day his therapist will retire or move and I do worry a bit about what state he will be in then. I have talked to him a bit about that but no outcome really, he just keeps going.

I just don't really know how to talk to him about this without it seeming like I am not being supportive. He really, really values the therapy and I think would find it a huge wrench if I asked him to stop. I wouldn't want to feel responsible for him spiralling into a worse depression. But I just feel like it's becoming a very expensive sticking plaster.

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BePinkReader · 15/05/2024 11:52

newnamenellie · 15/05/2024 11:25

I'm not a therapist but work with therapists and understand the environment and the practice.

Most types of therapy are designed to be short to medium term, so if your DH has been seeing a therapist for ten years and has now increased his weekly sessions (which is also not best practice), it would suggest that the therapy isn't helping and that he has become reliant upon this to the point of merely feeding a habit.

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This.

He gets to talk about himself and be vakidated and soothed for 1or 2 hours a week. And has done for 10 years with no objective evidence it's helpful other than he says it makes him feel better.

Which is likely just the placebo effect. I'd imagine most people would feel better if they had undivided attention on their woes for an hour or more a week.

What matters is is it actually leading to any kind of improvement? Sounds like it isn't so it's just a very expensive habit.

EmilyBronte82 · 15/05/2024 11:51

I spend an insane amount on therapy too but it’s been life changing, I’m two years in and over two years I’ve had 60 sessions. They’re £90 a session. There was one week where I needed two sessions out of the two years. Otherwise it’s just too much for me to process. It’s been an exhausting time too and I need to take a break from it to process/put into practice and just rest as it’s intensive.

But twice a week for 10 years I’d struggle to get the benefit. Not enough time in between to process what you’re learning.

Jc2001 · 15/05/2024 11:47

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 15/05/2024 08:07

Honestly? If you’re not skint then I have NO idea why you’re not supporting your husband in this.

Sorry, but I think you sound mean ( and tight) and a bit like a brat, therapy isn’t really a nice to have luxury! He obviously requires is - do you really think saving for a holiday / car / rainy day, having a takeaway is more important than your husbands wellbeing?

edited to add : imagine if you had posted the reverse of this ‘my husband thinks I spend too much on my therapy and thinks we should save and have treats instead’ IMAGINE THE RAGE OF MN there would be LTB’s all over the shop!

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If it's working I'd be inclined to agree but £7k per year and ten years of therapy and not much in the way of progress?

Something isn't right. Time to look at alternatives.

CharlotteRumpling · 15/05/2024 11:42

TinkerTiger · 15/05/2024 10:20

My very controversial opinion on therapy (and this is not for every case, obviously) is that it attracts a lot of personally types who love attention and validation for every little problem them have, and this this is exploited used by therapists to keep the money coming in. They are literally being paid to listen to your bullshit when everyone else around you has had enough.

The people I know who are in therapy who don't talk about it seem to be doing fine. The ones who make it their personality and share memes and TikTok's about 'my therapisssssssst' are in general attention-seeking and have fallen out with family and friends because their therapist said their boundaries weren't being respected and they are in more of a mess than before starting and therefore need to continue. The reality is that their selfishness is being enabled.

The 'trend' of neurodiversity is discussed a lot with people self-diagnosing and co-opting struggles that are genuinely faced by a group of people, but no one seems to be talking about the trendiness of therapy and the fact that many people receiving it probably don't really need it.

If people can believe that psychologists are profiting from throwing out ASD and ADHD diagnoses, then consider that the same is happening in the world of therapy.

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Well put. This was my experience with a family member. NOT one with serious PTSD but simply one whose friends and family had got tired of listening to her moan about tiny things like losing her stuff or not being chosen for a job. She became completely co dependant with her therapist.

TwelveAngryWhiskers · 15/05/2024 11:40

ittakes2 · 15/05/2024 11:36

I rang the BPS a few years ago when my daughter's school psychologist was questioning her physiatrists diagnosis of ADHD. They were very helpful. You can ring up confidentially and get their advice - like maybe asking them about this long term relationship he has that has moved to two sessions a week which I think most people agree seems a lot. At least you will get someone qualified's perspective on your concerns.
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In what way was she questioning her diagnosis? What was her explanation for the symptoms? Was she implying they were MH related rather than ADHD?

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/05/2024 11:37

If he’d been having any other kind of medical treatment weekly for a decade with no discernible improvement to his symptoms and no plan for seeking an alternative, we’d all be questioning the practitioner, the efficacy of their treatment, and advising him to seek alternative opinions elsewhere. This is no different.

Frankly I’d also want to establish what it is he actually talks about. You’re his life partner and he’s spending family money. If he’s spending every week wanging on about the usual sort of day to day troubles the majority of people have in their lives as if they make his life exceptionally depressing, with a therapist encouraging him to visit more frequently then yes, he’s just a self-centred navel-gazer and they’re a charlatan.

ittakes2 · 15/05/2024 11:36

I rang the BPS a few years ago when my daughter's school psychologist was questioning her physiatrists diagnosis of ADHD. They were very helpful. You can ring up confidentially and get their advice - like maybe asking them about this long term relationship he has that has moved to two sessions a week which I think most people agree seems a lot. At least you will get someone qualified's perspective on your concerns.
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benfoldsfivefan · 15/05/2024 11:32

Counsellor here. Financial exploitation by counsellors in private practice is common, sadly. I bet your DH is using the space to vent (which is helpful to him) and no therapy is going on, which the therapist will be very aware of. Twice weekly therapy is also generally not advised, by the way. I think you just need to have an honest conversation with him - good luck.

toomuchfaff · 15/05/2024 11:31

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 15/05/2024 08:07

Honestly? If you’re not skint then I have NO idea why you’re not supporting your husband in this.

Sorry, but I think you sound mean ( and tight) and a bit like a brat, therapy isn’t really a nice to have luxury! He obviously requires is - do you really think saving for a holiday / car / rainy day, having a takeaway is more important than your husbands wellbeing?

edited to add : imagine if you had posted the reverse of this ‘my husband thinks I spend too much on my therapy and thinks we should save and have treats instead’ IMAGINE THE RAGE OF MN there would be LTB’s all over the shop!

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Or it could be the therapist just sees pound signs with the DH and wants a yacht...

Its unethical to have a patient become so reliant on them that they make no progress.

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