To think that people living longer is making quality of life for everyone worse?

I agree.
And the people advocating for all kinds of treatments to extend painful and terrifying lifes act like they're the ones on the moral high ground .

Logan's run was a 70s film set in the future.once you hit 30 you were executed according to govt policy and if you went AWOL you were hunted down.

Soylent Green?

That wasn't me

Your original comment I responded to was about someone making a statement about themself.

In regards the thread in general, I don’t believe we should stop caring for the elderly. I do however believe thar we should not keep someone alive artificially if they have no quality of life. It’s torture and I’ve seen it first hand.

They aren't saying it for just themselves. They are saying it on behalf of everyone! And doubling down! That's the problem? Have you not been following this thread?

That’s great if that’s what you want. But please respect the fact that others are allowed to have differing views on their own lives

I hope it all works out for you. Please message if you need to. It's good to have someone who has been through it before. There are really good UK knee replacement groups on FB too.

Mate I know it's no joke. I am 33. I haven't had independence for almost 10 years. My life is still worth living. Even if it's just for my family.

So my able bodied nan, who is in better physical shape than me, needs to just throw the towel in if she needs help at 90? In just 3 years time? She has my dc for tea twice a week. I'll let her know

The mortality and hospitalisation rate of shingles in the elderly is wildly higher than that of chickenpox in children

According to the NHS website, it is actually available to some people - including medics.

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccine/

The situation that you describe around the lack of a chickenpox vaccination seems really illogical to me.

@WearyAuldWumman well it's an economic decision based on ageism unfortunately. But people seem to think it only applies when it's the elderly that are being disadvantaged.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me - I'm not disputing what you're saying - since elderly people here are offered the vax.

I've not had a vaccination yet, since I'm still in my 60s and I think you have to be in your 70s to get it. (My husband got the vax as a one off.) I had chickenpox once as a child and I've had shingles twice. (First time, I was in my 40s.)

Unfortunately, a number of families will guilt the older person and see the cash as a bonus. It’s cheaper and easier if granny pops her clogs before she starts to really need more help plus you get her house. 💁🏻‍♀️

It should be on a case by case basis. Joan aged 89 who has mild memory issues, is legally blind due to age related macular degeneration, osteoarthritis in so many joints that she cannot walk more than 5 steps, insulin dependent diabetes and has carers 4 times a day and spends the rest of her life sitting in a chair and cries a lot when asked if she’s happy probably wouldn’t benefit from a hip replacement anyway. Mary who is 85 and otherwise has no health issues and can walk and look after herself might well do!

@K0OLA1D

"Ridiculous. When I enquired about going private for a hip (I was going to get a loan), they said they could get me in in 2 weeks."

Same here. By going private I've been able to choose when I'm having the op which enables me to plan the least loss of earnings and have family around to help during my initial recovery.

They should respect her right to choose. Relatives have a tendency to suddenly assume they know what’s best for someone as they get older. Losing your independence is no joke.

It’s not about getting someone else to do the shopping. If you physicality can’t manage your activities of daily living, it’s likely you are in some pain, the things you enjoy.

Your comment suggests you care more about the thoughts of the relatives than the person themselves. Unfortunately this is all too common

But then again there are people who are not paying as they don’t own their house so there is no equality there.

Exactly this. We have been paying our mortgage for 26 years and have still got 5 years left. Due to DH not being able to work for the last 15 years because of his health we missed payments and had to extend, we were very lucky not to lose it.
We paid 40,000. and apparently it's worth about 200,000 now but even to downsize and the fees would swallow it all up. So I guess I'll carry on working and not go on any cruises yet.

So, selective euthanasia?

Just the elderly. If you get to 90+ you’ve had a great life. I’m not talking about bumping off disabled people if that’s what you’re implying

"NineChickennuggets · Today 15:01
Perhaps we should stop the use of vaccinations. That should cut the number of people down quite easily."
Well it's interesting that you say that!
We don't vaccinate kids against chicken pox in this country because it's deemed worthwhile them catching it and getting sick (potentially very sick if they're unlucky - a kid in my DCS class was hospitalised with sepsis from chicken pox last year - it was touch and go) to ensure that elderly people get "boosted" by varicella by being around them, to help ensure protection for THEM against shingles.
When there is even a vaccine for shingles anyway! So kids get chickenpox now, and because of that will likely get shingles when they're old themselves, to help stop current elderly getting sick now (when they could just have a vax)
I hope you're all calling out the ageism there as well. Ageism works in both directions...

Re: making a killing on housing.

I bought my place for 24k in '86. Paying off the mortgage was hard, as I think I've indicated. After paying off the mortgage over 27/28 yrs, I was able to have a small extension added to accommodate my mother. It took all my savings.

Judging by current prices round her, the house might sell for 130k if I'm lucky. (2 bed houses, the identical design to mine are going for between 60 and 115k, depending on condition.) That will go in care home costs if I'm still here.