TW child SA!! Name these people?

I’ve never been to prison (in that sense, I have to work purposes) and maybe I’ve watched too much Bad Girls but isn’t it bad etiquette to share or ask why people are there?

I don’t think prison officers should be sharing that information. But I also thought categories system meant that sex offenders and murderers won’t be in the same prison as Steve who didn’t pay his TV license

I know someone who's been to prison. The attitude of op was observed by my friend in the prison officers. Said the ones connected to child sexual assault or murder always lied about why they were in and other prisoners find out from the officers letting it slip. I'm not sure how I feel about that but thought I'd put my two pennies into the discussion

I believe that the correct technical term is kiddie fiddler.

There are other terms but it all boils down to the same thing.

I am really really anti-vigilante justice and I find those who have a bit of a hard on at the thought of physically harming “pedos” (even one’s not convicted or one’s just rumoured to be “pedos”) aren’t doing so because they care about children. They wanna play out their sick little righteous fantasy of violence and think doing it to a pedophile will grant them some sort of hero status.

Oh FGS OP leave @VestibuleVirgin alone.

I agree with everyone of her posts and if you do in fact work in the prison service your inability to be impartial is deeply alarming.

Except that judging people that you're working with, supporting and keeping safe because of what theyve done is problematic. Because in those types of jobs you are required to provide consistency of care. If you're being judgemental and not addressing that then over time that can absolutely affect your ability to provide consistency of care, or you just burn out.

Your response to the other poster "Disgusting and judgemental attitude to those in your care?’ Just to confirm, we’re talking about people who abuse children right? Not someone who stole a car or something like that? Your whole post is madness" does show judgement to people who have to shut that part of themselves down in order to do their job.

Believe me I understand the rage and anger on this thread but comments like the ones you've posted are coming across as attacking others who are trying to express a different perspective.

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@Trulyme sorry pal, I've read the thread but not the article. I accidentally clicked on this thread in trending or I'd have avoided it due to the TW. (Touch of pnd so I'm a bit delicate atm!)

I've worked as a carer with men who were child sex offenders, being a very low paid job requiring no skill they were simply known to the staff as noncey Jim or something as catchy.

I did a night shift with a man lots of the staff hated due to him being found guilty of child rape in his younger days. He died that shift and I sat with him. He wanted to talk about it. So we talked. Basically he was a man with learning disabilities and he started a romantic relationship with someone who seemed to get him after being the village idiot (in the 60s this was) Anyway, the relationship he'd found himself in was with a girl of 11. Her father almost killed him.
It always felt so odd to me, caring for this man. I knew what he'd done and I was also a csa victim, but I really don't think that it was something he did out of a predilection for children, he was just a very intellectually challenged man. It really tore me up inside how much I liked him. I'm glad he died with me, holding his hand. We discussed his fear of hell for what he had done. He was aware.
I did all I could to stop his fears and even stayed a few hours after my shift ended as he wasn't liked by anyone else really. I didn't want to leave him to die alone and scared. He died with as much peace and comfort I could give him. It was terribly sad and always felt conflicting to soothe the fear of hell to a man who raped a wee girl. But I did it. I always felt like I'd betrayed that child if I'm honest. But maybe not showing this man kindness in his last hours and just doing the bare bones of my Job knowing he was so frightened could have haunted me more? I'm not sure.

I'm not saying I'd have ever sat there taunting a dying person about impending hell (not usually, anyway) but I really did feel the weight of his worries that night.

I don't really know why I've shared this, but the fact is, even if we hate what people have done, even if we hate them I guess, sometimes I suppose when someone who's done something so grotesque is at their most vulnerable and frightened, not giving them any empathy or comfort just seems completely devoid of humanity.

Working with people who've committed atrocities towards children, women and animals really does mess with one's peace, I found.

Not at all 🙂. I don’t like the tone that some of the comments are taking and I don’t see why any contrary opinion is ripped apart with the usual ‘paedo lover’ trope.

Thanks, @WinterMorn I was begining to think I was going potty!

But equally don't judge those of us who are in jobs that

What are you even talking about? Who’s judging you? Who cares about you? The thread is about naming the abusers, that’s all.

If you don’t want to judge a child abuser that you have no contact with and don’t know in real life, all because of what you do professionally, then fine. Some of us want their heads on a stick - prison worker or not.

You’d really think OP started this thread to say, ‘AIBU to spit in this prisoner’s food everyday because he/she is a child abuser.’ My God, if no one can post a link to an article to an anonymous forum then wtf can they do. The fact that this thread was created, does not mean the OP is unprofessional in her role? Does the thread make her judgement of the people mentioned in the article? Absolutely.

If you choose to not judge sexual abusers (that you have absolutely no interaction with) because of your profession, please go to hell. Bye

Speak for yourself. I don’t want blood, I want effective sentencing, rehabilitation where appropriate and a bigger focus on prevention. Above all I want a safe working environment for HMPPS staff and a standard of dignity for people in prison.

@Trulyme why don’t you stop laying into Vestible? You made a goady, controversial post and people are entitled to disagree with you. When all’s said and done, I remain concerned that you say you still work with offenders as one day, your true opinions are going to reveal themselves, and it won’t be pretty.

YABVU

What these people did were awful, but in naming them the victim she will immediately be identified by all the parents at school, on their street and local community.

Peoples right to shout “pedo” on the street does not trump the rights and safety of a child who has already been through hell. Don’t think that the movements of child sex offenders go unmonitored either - when they are released they will be observed so closely that probation and/or children’s services will know if they get into a relationship with someone with children

@FuckTheClubUp it is the job though. Same as a doctor would need to put emotion to one side and treat a SO patient the same way they would anyone else. Its one of the shitty and difficult parts of the job. Op has explained that she deals with that by compartmentalising. If you couldn't do that then fair enough - just don't do that job then. But equally don't judge those of us who are in jobs that we try to do professionally and with integrity that naturally bring us into contact with people who've done awful things.

YABVU

Victims of sexual crimes are - rightly - entitled to lifelong anonymity in law. Where that anonymity would be lost by naming their abusers, the abusers should not be named. Within family abuse, this will often happen because naming a parent will likely identify the child. The child’s welfare and rights must be paramount.

It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting abusers and everything to do with protecting victims.

They won't be named as the child's right to anonymity is paramount, as well as other children in the family. When they are released, they will presumably be on the sex offenders register and subject to conditions including employment and contact with children. They will probably still live in fear of anyone finding out about their convictions so hopefully won't have a peaceful existence.

Yes we want blood, when it's child rape or murder. I don't see that as a problem

I haven't referred to exclamation marks or the use of paedo

I read your post twice and I have no issues with comprehending the stupidity of what was written.

You know nothing about the OP other than this post. You don’t know what role they have working in a prison and you don’t know how they act/interact/treat the people who are in that prison. OP has started a thread which talks about a disgusting topic, of course they’re allowed to show judgement to any sexual abusers who are in their care.

they are supposed to rise above these and do their job.

Taking this thread to generalise and say that this is OP’s attitude with all prisoners is an absolute reach and is based on nothing other than your assumptions. I’m not going back and forth with you. Maybe you can spend your time providing a meaningful comment which focuses on, I don’t know, the actual abusers?

Carry on misunderstanding despite explanations and the obvious fact that you have not read the whole of the post.
Again, for clarity in face of complete obtuseness, the post concluded with:
'All of this is not to say I support the actions of such people, just disgusted by your attitude'

And, for clarity, my post contained this:
'All of this is not to say I support the actions of such people, just disgusted by your attitude'
@Trulyme @FuckTheClubUp

The inability of people to comprehend and read only want to is writ large.
I was referring to the general prison population, not the sexual offenders specigfically. My point clearly said that as someone who works with offenders, prisons serve to both punish and rehabilitate, and as such, as a prison employee, they have a role to play in this.
Public sector staff deal with all sorts of shitty people, and while they may have personal opinions on such people, as professionals, they are supposed to rise above these and do their job.