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To be so upset with my dad for this?

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Lostinconversation · 14/05/2024 13:03

2 weeks ago my grandad on my mums side passed away. I was very close to him, and am also very close to the grandad on my dad’s side and we talk every day. I desperately wanted someone to speak to as I was so upset so I called my grandad to tell him the news about my other grandad and get some support.

I’m not super close with my dad. We do speak and see each other occasionally but when my grandad passed away I didn’t tell him straight away. The only person who knew aside from my mums side of the family was my grandad on dads side.

Two days ago my dad text me to ask if I would be in this week for him to drop off my birthday card. He asked if I was up to anything for my birthday and I replied saying “no plans, unfortunately my grandad passed away and I’m not dealing with it very well. I’ll just be spending time with my grandma” he replied saying “yes I heard about that, grandad told me. I’ll just stop by after work and post your card on Wednesday”

I instantly felt so heartbroken by this. He knew all this time and has not contacted me to offer any support or ask if I am ok. Fair enough maybe he didn’t say anything because I hadn’t told him myself and didn’t want to bring it up before I was ready. But when I told him in my text he didn’t even say “sorry to hear about that” the bare minimum! I have had more sympathy off strangers. I’ve never read such a cold text message before in response to such a thing. It’s made me feel so utterly unworthy of his love and support. I gave him more in response to his dog dying. I’m not sure whether I am being reasonable or whether my emotions at the moment are making me feel worse and exaggerate. But I can’t bring myself to reply. I haven’t replied to him since. To know that my dad knows I’m upset and struggling and dealing with this and hasn’t uttered a word of condolences or kindness is really upsetting me. He just simply doesn’t care and can’t even be bothered to pretend to care. I am his only child and I just get nothing from him.

Please could I get some outside perspective on this?

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SallyWD · 18/05/2024 09:02

I think he intends to say more about it when he drops the card round? If not, it does seem odd.

EnterFunnyNameHere · 18/05/2024 08:35

This might be a bit of a ramble...

I agree with PP that some people, men especially, are just bad at emotional support. My DF certainly is, despite being supportive and interested in a general sense, when a good friend of mine died, beyond a short conversation when I told DF he never brought it up again. Even when I told him, there was no offer of support, more just discussion of circumstances. Which could have felt cold, but I know it's just that DF processes things very differently to me. When DM died and people would ring to support him (or try to!) he couldn't really understand what they were doing - he didn't find it helpful. So as a result, because he wouldn't find it helpful, I don't think he can really understand that others might, and what that could look like.

I think more broadly in your situation you probably know that you and your DF aren't close, but maybe had in the back of your mind that he would "come good" in a really tough situation. So you were OK with him being generally not great because you thought he'd be there in a crisis. And now, sadly, you realise that's not the case. I might be totally off the mark here of course!

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 08:17

TarnishedMoonstone · 18/05/2024 08:06

Some people, particularly some men, are just terrible at responding appropriately in bereavement. They don’t know what to say or do so they do nothing. I expect your dad falls into this category, made worse by the fact that you’re not close anyway so he probably is even less used to being supportive. I also wonder whether he personally disliked your other DGD when he was with your mum - remember there is a whole backstory then. If he didn’t like him himself, he might struggle even more to accept that you did love him, or that you had a closer relationship withDGD than with your dad. as others have said, I don’t think this is very surprising in the circumstances, and I bet your emotion is because the bereavement has raked up lots of old baggage in your mind as well as your sorrow at your loss. Bereavement has waves of impact for a very very long time, it’s not a quick process. I hope you get some support from others in your life, and I’m sorry for your loss.

I think what you said sounds spot on. I don’t know why I expected anything different from him tbh but I think you’re right that my emotions are bringing up other things.
thank you, appreciate your comment x

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Fizzadora · 18/05/2024 08:16

You've asked for some outside perspective but you are continually arguing with anyone who thinks that your Dad's response wasn't unreasonable.
You are clearly grieving your Grandad so perhaps you should just deal with that and stop fretting about a text exchange with someone that you acknowledge that you don't have a particularly good or close relationship with.
Just because you think he should have responded in a certain way, doesn't mean that he should. You're an adult you don't need validation and acknowledgement of your feelings all the time even when going through a bereavement.

TarnishedMoonstone · 18/05/2024 08:06

Some people, particularly some men, are just terrible at responding appropriately in bereavement. They don’t know what to say or do so they do nothing. I expect your dad falls into this category, made worse by the fact that you’re not close anyway so he probably is even less used to being supportive. I also wonder whether he personally disliked your other DGD when he was with your mum - remember there is a whole backstory then. If he didn’t like him himself, he might struggle even more to accept that you did love him, or that you had a closer relationship withDGD than with your dad. as others have said, I don’t think this is very surprising in the circumstances, and I bet your emotion is because the bereavement has raked up lots of old baggage in your mind as well as your sorrow at your loss. Bereavement has waves of impact for a very very long time, it’s not a quick process. I hope you get some support from others in your life, and I’m sorry for your loss.

crumbpet · 18/05/2024 07:49

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:40

Yes you’re absolutely right. This is the thing that has kind of given me a reality check

And I'm sorry for your loss. Take care

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:40

crumbpet · 18/05/2024 07:38

I think you need to accept your relationship with your father for what it is and not what you hoped it could be.

Yes you’re absolutely right. This is the thing that has kind of given me a reality check

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crumbpet · 18/05/2024 07:38

I think you need to accept your relationship with your father for what it is and not what you hoped it could be.

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:35

Sapphire387 · 18/05/2024 07:34

It sounds to me like, in your grief for your grandad, you are also feeling grief for the relationship you never had or wished you had had with your dad. And that is valid. He is who he is, and sadly it sounds like you two are not close, and perhaps there is a history of him being distant. It's really sad, having to accept that a parent is not... what you would want/need from a parent.

I'm sorry for your loss. It is very hard, losing a grandparent you were close to.

Just be mindful that a part of grief can be anger, and it can 'focus' on places it shouldn't necessarily be focused. So lean on who you need to lean on.

Thanks so much for this comment, I appreciate it. I think you are right, and will bear what you said in mind x

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Sapphire387 · 18/05/2024 07:34

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:29

My mum and dad broke up when I was a baby. I still saw my dad growing up but my grandparents on his side saw me more often, I went to their house every Saturday. I have always been extremely close to my grandad (both grandads actually) and the one on my dads side calls me be eh regularly through to week for a chat. So the only reason I told him was because he called me and he could tell I was upset from my voice etc so I told him. I didn’t purposefully think to myself I’m going to tell certain people but not others. I didn’t tell anyone apart from my boss and my grandad. Only because I couldn’t face the conversations and thought I will tel people in my own time when I’m ready.

It sounds to me like, in your grief for your grandad, you are also feeling grief for the relationship you never had or wished you had had with your dad. And that is valid. He is who he is, and sadly it sounds like you two are not close, and perhaps there is a history of him being distant. It's really sad, having to accept that a parent is not... what you would want/need from a parent.

I'm sorry for your loss. It is very hard, losing a grandparent you were close to.

Just be mindful that a part of grief can be anger, and it can 'focus' on places it shouldn't necessarily be focused. So lean on who you need to lean on.

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:32

Willmafrockfit · 18/05/2024 07:24

he sounds like a cold fish,
is is reaction different than usual?

It’s not exactly different to usual, he isn’t the most emotional of people. I didn’t expect a big reaction, I didn’t expect a hug or a grand gesture. But a simple “sorry to hear that” really doesn’t take much at all. Even if you don’t care, it’s still the kind thing to say to your daughter. Just pretend you care for 2 second to type out “sorry about that, hope you’re ok” and then he can put his phone down and move on with his day. But it’s the fact that he can’t even manage that that’s upset me. He can’t do the absolute bare minimum. Even everyone on this thread has said sorry for your loss. They don’t know me. They don’t actually care about me, but it’s the polite thing to say. And it says a lot when your own dad can’t say it to you, even though I’ve been there for him during his losses

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Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:29

Sapphire387 · 18/05/2024 07:25

I think we need to know more about the background. Are your parents divorced? Did your dad and maternal grandad dislike each other? There's obviously a huge backstory here, that you wouldn't speak to your dad sooner about your loss, but did speak to his dad, your other grandad. Could he be confused about whether you want to speak about it with him, because he heard the news second-hand as you chose to tell your grandad but not him?

My mum and dad broke up when I was a baby. I still saw my dad growing up but my grandparents on his side saw me more often, I went to their house every Saturday. I have always been extremely close to my grandad (both grandads actually) and the one on my dads side calls me be eh regularly through to week for a chat. So the only reason I told him was because he called me and he could tell I was upset from my voice etc so I told him. I didn’t purposefully think to myself I’m going to tell certain people but not others. I didn’t tell anyone apart from my boss and my grandad. Only because I couldn’t face the conversations and thought I will tel people in my own time when I’m ready.

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Zanatdy · 18/05/2024 07:26

Of course it’s very uncaring to not even say sorry to hear about that. He should have also messaged you to offer condolences when he found out. Some people are just uncaring or don’t think. It isn’t nice and you’ve every right to be upset with him.

Sapphire387 · 18/05/2024 07:25

I think we need to know more about the background. Are your parents divorced? Did your dad and maternal grandad dislike each other? There's obviously a huge backstory here, that you wouldn't speak to your dad sooner about your loss, but did speak to his dad, your other grandad. Could he be confused about whether you want to speak about it with him, because he heard the news second-hand as you chose to tell your grandad but not him?

Willmafrockfit · 18/05/2024 07:24

he sounds like a cold fish,
is is reaction different than usual?

Loubelle70 · 18/05/2024 07:21

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:14

but I brought it up. I brought it up in that moment. He can’t be off with me for not telling him something very upsetting straight away? Is there a time limit on when I need to tel people things otherwise their love and support expires?

I understand your grief, but i think youre obviously a little sensitive atm. If someone, in essence, said i dont want it bringing up atm, i wouldn't from the second thats asked.

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:16

TeaandScandal · 17/05/2024 22:52

You didn’t tell him, but you did tell his Dad (your Grandad)?
You’re clearly not close at all…

But yet when the roles are reversed we are close enough that I comfort him.

He told me his dog died and I said something like “that’s awful I’m so sorry” and he had a good life etc etc. when he told me my step mums mum had died I said to send my condolences and I hope she was ok. I then also text a few days later asking how everyone was. But the same can’t be done for me it seems

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Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:14

Loubelle70 · 18/05/2024 07:12

Hes doing what you asked, not bringing it up. YABU

but I brought it up. I brought it up in that moment. He can’t be off with me for not telling him something very upsetting straight away? Is there a time limit on when I need to tel people things otherwise their love and support expires?

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Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:13

SD1978 · 17/05/2024 22:48

I think you set him up a little, and you're disappointed that he didn't come through for you, and he's probably let you down a lot. You aren't close, you didn't tell him directly, you mentioned it to another family member on his side, with the assumption they would tell your dad. You don't know when your grandad mentioned it to your dad. He then tried to make arrangements to see you to give you a card, and asked what you wear up to, and you then mentioned nothing because if your grandad passing (and sorry for your loss) setting up your dad to fail, isn't going to help you in the long run. Either you tell him things, or stay low contact if that's what best for you, but don't be surprised when he is low contact back.

But I did tell him though. I told him in that moment. I didn’t need to tell him then, I could’ve just said I’m not up to much for my birthday. But I felt like I could tell him in that moment because I felt ready to. It wasn’t just him I didn’t tell. I didn’t tell any of my friends or anything either, and I’m very close with them. Because I couldn’t bring myself to tell them yet, I wasn’t ready to talk about it. I don’t HAVE to tell people things about my life as soon as they happen. It’s not like… well you didn’t tell me straight away so therefore you don’t get my support now. I didn’t deal with it well shit myself off, I only told my grandad on my dads side because he calls me twice a week to check in and he called me the day before he died and I told him “my grandad is not well, he hasn’t got long left” then the next day he died and my other grandad text me to ask how he was doing. If it wasn’t for that interaction, I wouldn’t have told my grandad at that time either. It’s not news that I have to share with everyone as soon as it happens. But I would’ve expected that when I do tell my own dad, he would at least say “sorry to hear that, hope you’re ok” it’s hardly difficult is it?

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Loubelle70 · 18/05/2024 07:12

Hes doing what you asked, not bringing it up. YABU

Lostinconversation · 18/05/2024 07:06

DoreenonTill8 · 17/05/2024 22:52

Sorry for your loss, but re I have my mum and my sister but they are also going through it well of course your mum is, she's his daughter! Is the grandma you're spending time with your mums mum? Again sorry but I feel you're placing yourself as the main mourner when he had a wife, a daughter and another grandchild.

what I meant by that comment was that I don’t want to burden my mum when she’s going through the grief of losing her dad. I don’t want to be calling her crying etc and making her feel like she has to comfort me, because she has her own emotions to deal with and I don’t want to add to that. My grandma is now completely alone, she had two dogs, a cat, and a husband and they have all died within 2 years of each other. So all of my family are spending lots of time with her so that she’s never alone at the moment, it’s not just me going round, we are all there, my cousins and aunties and uncles etc. I have made sure to ask if she wants us there or whether she wants to be alone and she said she wants us there for now.

I don’t get how I’m placing myself as the main mourner by being upset that my dad didn’t acknowledge the fact that I’m hurting right now and grieving. Just because he had a wife and other grandchildren means I can’t be upset with my dad? I don’t get your comment

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HcbSS · 18/05/2024 01:49

So sorry for your loss OP.
From my experience, families can be awful at bereavement support. I lost my beloved gran last year and have been supported more by my wider community than my family, who didn’t even send a text on the day of the 1 year anniversary, mother’s day etc.
Grief is unreasonable in itself. You needed support from your dad and didn’t get it. Feeling upset about that is normal, you have just lost this lovely person and your feelings are raw.
I hope you have support from elsewhere. All the best OP.

indiandreaming · 18/05/2024 00:10

I don't think you needed to tell him directly for him to offer you his condolences.

If you hear of someone passing, whether it's through a third party, you would then choose that moment to pass on your condolences. He knew how much your grandad meant to you.

I'm sorry for your loss.

mistymirror · 17/05/2024 23:16

DoreenonTill8 · 17/05/2024 23:05

Oh sorry I forgot @mistymirror that on mn now people aren't actually asking for opinions, just to be told, 'you're right, everyone else is awful'.

She asked for an opinion on whether she is being unreasonable to be upset with her Dad. You didn't give her an opinion on that.

DoreenonTill8 · 17/05/2024 23:05

Oh sorry I forgot @mistymirror that on mn now people aren't actually asking for opinions, just to be told, 'you're right, everyone else is awful'.