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To ask neighbour not to smoke in his own garden?

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fope · 14/05/2024 09:24

We live in a flat in converted townhouse. We are on the second floor. Neighbour is in the garden flat (not shared garden). Our bedroom is at the back of the house.

As it’s getting hotter, we need to have our bedroom window open all night.

Garden flat neighbour is a heavy smoker. He stands in the french doors of his flat and smokes “out” into the garden (if that makes sense).

The problem is, that the smoke rises up and it makes our bedroom stink. Three mornings in a row we have woken up to a bedroom smelling of cigarette smoke.

AIBU to ask him not to smoke in his garden? Or at least go somewhere else where it won’t rise up into other people’s homes. Other people in our building have also commented on this.

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SabreIsMyFave · 14/05/2024 14:04

Engaea · 14/05/2024 12:18

There are LOADS of "completely legal" things people could do in their own homes but don't because they live in proximity to others. A little give and take is worth considering, rather than just saying "it's legal, so...."

This.

I think this about people parking on the bloody road to (in a residential area,) when they've got a driveway. I know it's a free country, and it's perfectly legal blah blah blah, but sometimes it's a case of 'just because you CAN do something, it doesn't always mean you should.'

As for smoking in the garden though. Tricky one. Where is the person meant to go to smoke? Are they meant to go for a walk in the woods where there will (probably) be no humans to offend?!

It's a tough one ... Thankfully smoking is becoming increasingly anti-social. I don't know anyone who smokes now truth be told, except for 2 neighbours. None of my friends, family, or work colleagues, or anyone in my hobby groups. Same with both my adult DDs. They don't smoke, and neither do their partners. My 2 DD have around 20 friends between them. Not one single one smokes.

30+ years ago, it seems like every third person smoked.

TryingAgainAgainAgain · 14/05/2024 13:36

I'm

CrotchetyQuaver · 14/05/2024 13:25

I'd ask him nicely if he would mind smoking somewhere other than directly under your window and explain why

LBFseBrom · 14/05/2024 13:19

Presumably your neighbour only smokes one cigarette at a time. I doubt your problem is as bad as you perceive it. You cannot stop him smoking in his own garden.

In England (I am presuming that is where you are), we have some fine weather but an awful lot of wind and rain, during which time I doubt the smoke wafts up to your bedroom window. I think you could put up with a little passive smoke, it is hardly likely to do you harm. Keep your clothes well away and use some febreeze if necessary.

PeartreeOrchard · 14/05/2024 13:18

SacreBleugh · 14/05/2024 10:00

"Dear downstairs neighbour, I appreciate that you are well within your rights to do as you wish in your own garden, but I just wanted to let you know that your cigarette smoke drifts up into our bedroom. Would it be possible for you to smoke further out in your garden?
Many thanks
Grateful upstairs neighbour".

If he ignores you. I'm afraid you'll have to put up with it.

This is rather similar to a text I sent our neighbour - After living next door to each other for several years and being on really good terms she started smoking the strongest weed you could imagine. It felt like you hit a wall of the stench. It was so eye-wateringly strong that for a while we were convinced she must be a growing factory.

She didn't want it smelling in her house so used to lean out the mid-storey window as the prevailing wind would blow it away (and directly down the row of her neighbour's windows, doors and gardens) As her habit increased she set up a chair at the window.

She ignored the message (which she was entitled to do) but we were all a bit disappointed. All we wanted was to suggest moving to the front window as it would trail the smoke away from the houses but apparently (as told to one of the other neighbours) she didn't want strangers walking by in the street knowing her business.

In the summer it was awful. Our houses were designed with south-facing balconies and Juliet doors to be thrown open in the summer. Hers were the only open windows and doors on the row as the rest of ours had to remain shut to combat her smoke and god we sweltered. In the end, we had aircon with a huge filter put in as did our neighbours.

We all were ecstatic when the landlord decided to sell up. I was in heaven during the recent hot weather as we could have all the doors and windows open for the first time in years.

elevens24 · 14/05/2024 13:14

It is his perogative to smoke in his garden, but a more considerate person would go up the back, away from people's houses. I have the odd guest who smokes and tell them to go up the back of the garden.
You could pop him a note as I think some people are oblivious and he may take it on board.

UrbanFan · 14/05/2024 13:14

CaptainMyCaptain · 14/05/2024 12:58

I hate smoking too but I don't think you can ask him not to smoke in his own garden.

Of course she can.

Hatfullofwillow · 14/05/2024 13:12

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One barbecue gives off the equivalent carcinogens to 500,000 cigarettes. A gas oven can raise benzene levels higher than secondhand smoke.
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bloodyplumbing · 14/05/2024 13:08

BlondeFool · 14/05/2024 09:27

I understand it's awful for you but it's his perogative to smoke in his own garden.

This!

I feel for you though.

ClipClopperDontStopper · 14/05/2024 13:07

When I was a smoker I’d have been happy to move further down the garden to partake once the neighbour had made a polite request.

Justcallmebebes · 14/05/2024 13:01

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Hmm
Hatfullofwillow · 14/05/2024 13:00

I'm a smoker and I'd rather know if my smoke was bothering a neighbour.

CaptainMyCaptain · 14/05/2024 12:58

I hate smoking too but I don't think you can ask him not to smoke in his own garden.

UrbanFan · 14/05/2024 12:56

Yellowhammer09 · 14/05/2024 09:49

I don't think you'd be unreasonable to ask if he can smoke at the other end of the garden. Any normal person would understand. Yes, it's a private garden but it affects his neighbours.

Exactly this. If he's a decent bloke he'll think about how what he does affects his neighbours and smoke elsewhere. You never know it might encourage him to give up the horrid habit.
As an ex smoker sometimes you just a little push helps.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/05/2024 12:52

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/05/2024 12:48

@fope Is there something preventing you from putting a fan in the window to blow out?

Trust me, if you are a none smoker and cant stand the stench, your suggestion wont get rid of all of it but may help as a last resort

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/05/2024 12:51

MalbecandToast · 14/05/2024 09:29

I get that its gross and I would hate it too, but you really can't dictate what people can/can't do in their garden.

Yes, ask and see what she says.
She could go ballistic or you may be pleasantly surprised

Smoking should be banned in all public spaces along with where it can impact neibours like you

keep us posted but please be careful as people can get very vindictive. If she works, that great but from your post about smoking I doubt she does so be aware you may get a massive problem

The dangerous stench is awful and I'm not sure what many people are smoking these days but as we often go for a walk along the rive and sit on a bench - you get a few smokers and the stecnch is like sewer stench - its awful - we get up and leave is the wind is blowing it our way

gavisconismyfriend · 14/05/2024 12:51

Smoke is grim so I totally sympathise but I don’t think you can reasonable expect someone not to smoke in their own garden. Have you thought about a fan for the bedroom? It makes a huge difference to room temp and means no need to open the window overnight which solves my fear of bugs flying in, and would equally deal with your smoke issue.

x2boys · 14/05/2024 12:50

SnoqualmieRiver · 14/05/2024 09:32

Sign him up for lots of stop smoking leaflets etc.

Why ,what exactly will that do ?
He knows he smokes ,I'm sure he's aware it s bad for his health.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 12:48

IsThisOneAvailable · 14/05/2024 12:45

I mean, I guess only as unreasonable as if he asked you not to leave your windows open? Or to sleep in another room? 🤷‍♂️

Her leaving her window open isn't causing a stink (unless her or her partner has particularly strong/lingering farts or sprays perfume 24/7). Smoking is causing a stink.

Toffifee1 · 14/05/2024 12:48

You could tell him how the smell rises into your bedroom and ask him if he could find another window to smoke out of, but unfortuneately he has every right to keep doing it..
we had a similar situation in a flat with a lovely south facing balcony. Heavy smokers underneath us and we couldnt ever use our balcony or leave the kitchen/bathroom windows open because of the smell.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/05/2024 12:48

@fope Is there something preventing you from putting a fan in the window to blow out?

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 12:46

Ladyzfactor · 14/05/2024 12:39

How's the view from that high horse of yours?

It's not really high horse tbh.
Choosing to smoke and subject others to the stink is pretty selfish. That said, humans are selfish by nature and loads of folk do selfish things every day.

IsThisOneAvailable · 14/05/2024 12:45

I mean, I guess only as unreasonable as if he asked you not to leave your windows open? Or to sleep in another room? 🤷‍♂️

Ladyzfactor · 14/05/2024 12:39

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How's the view from that high horse of yours?

TheTartfulLodger · 14/05/2024 12:37

You can't really ask people not to smoke on their own property but it may be considered a nuisance if it effects other people in the building. We had similar with a tenant keeping his internal front door open so the smoke permiated everyone else's flats. It was considered a statutory nuisance and the council ordered him to keep his internal door shut. You say other people in the block have also commented about it but who have they commented about it to? Are they just talking about it among themselves or approaching him together to speak to him? I suspect the former as is all too often in these situations. We once had a cannabis factory next door effecting everyone else's quality of life but all people seemed to want to do was talk among themselves about how awful it was. Nobody actually wanted to put their head above the parapet and do something about it. When other people comment about it, ask them to perhaps support you and both jointly comment about it together either to him or the council as causing a nuisance.