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Should 40 year mortgages be banned?

231 replies

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 13/05/2024 09:58

Reading and hearing more and more of this.

IMO, extending mortgages and making almost a norm re 40 years for many, and it was 25 years when we got our first and second mortgages - 40 years IMO is just fueling the price rises in property

AIBU seeking a ban on 40 year mortgages??

IMO, 30 yrs is more than enough and there must always be a minimum 10/15% deposit and a 2 year record of saving money. This IMO, will gradually settle property prices.

FYI, we paid off on our own property and a couple of rentals about 14 years ago possibly a bit more

NB: Of course, no government will agree to that as it will hold back national growth and ledners will definitely fight it as it hits their profits. But 40 years mortgage is more than a life sentence into

Our 25 year mortgages we paid off with 15 and 14 years respectively

40 yr metages benefits the lenders bigger profits and feuls property prices

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/hsbc-40-year-mortgage-deal-interest-rates-bank-of-england-marathon-prices-lender-bank-big-six-b1103513.html

OP posts:
Blarn · 13/05/2024 10:28

I think a mortgage which goes into retirement will give people a lot more security than private renting at the same age.

BeyondMyWits · 13/05/2024 10:27

Everything is designed to prop up prices and fuel continued rises. Extending the mortgage term, (lower mortgage rates too), partial ownership schemes, stamp duty holidays. You need to have people buying "affordably" as that feeds up the "chain" .

K0OLA1D · 13/05/2024 10:27

YABU and sound incredibly out of touch.

sashagabadon · 13/05/2024 10:26

I’m old enough to remember Gordon brown suggesting this back when he was chancellor!
I am neutral about it. It could be a good thing if people are responsible about overpaying at times when they have extra cash so they can revert to a lower payment say during the child care years. Over 40 years there’ll definitely be times when overpaying is easy and times when it isn’t .

PrincessOlga · 13/05/2024 10:26

Surely the actual fact that you need to take FOUR DECADES to pay for a house should have people asking questions.

Do you mean to say that one person would take forty years to build a house with his/her own hands?

Or twenty years with a friend and you help the friend build his/her? Or similar division of labour with a third person (brickie, decorator, sorting out utilities + planning permission...).

Dig into the economics, people.

missmollygreen · 13/05/2024 10:25

Why dont you sell your rental properties OP, 25% below market value should do it. You can be the pioneer of reducing house prices.

GentlemanJohnny · 13/05/2024 10:25

There are so many variables in people's circumstances that I can't see any advantage in such a ban.

HugeCwtch · 13/05/2024 10:24

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 13/05/2024 10:02

I wonder why someone with a property and a few rentals wants to make it harder for other people to buy their own homes. Curious.....

Funny that eh?

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator
IMO, 30 yrs is more than enough and there must always be a minimum 10/15% deposit and a 2 year record of saving money. This IMO, will gradually settle property prices.

Lucky for the rest of the UK you're not the person in charge.
How do you expect people to save when they are paying high rents?
(oh, just spotted who you are..... in that case Hmm )

SquashPenguin · 13/05/2024 10:24

I’m sure a number of people who take these 40yr mortgages on have every intention of overpaying along the way. Salary increases and inheritance for one. For some it is the only way onto the property ladder. I was lucky enough to be able to take on a 25yr mortgage, and I don’t envy those who have to take on much longer ones, but the option shouldn’t be removed.

WhereIsMyLight · 13/05/2024 10:22

I bought my first house at 27 with a 40 year mortgage and 5% deposit because it was the only way I could get on the property ladder. I bought a property I didn’t like because it was the best of the bad bunch. I bought my next house at 33 with another 40 year mortgage, although a 20% deposit. The term is long because childcare is expensive. I am still expecting our salaries to increase over time and childcare to go down, so overpaying the mortgage will become easier and we will be able to shorten the term.

Those options were the only way for me to buy a house I actually like and want to live in for a long time because people have bought multiple properties cheap as a BTL, rented them out for extortionate sums of money and driven up the market. This has been aided by consecutive governments failing to build more housing and more social housing, cap the amount private landlords can charge especially for such shitty housing stock. The banks will obviously be making more money from these longer term mortgages but they aren’t the ones driving the housing market.

BusyMintCrab · 13/05/2024 10:21

I’m sorry but the fact you don’t know that endowment mortgages are no longer available shows how out of touch you are with this!

focacciamuffin · 13/05/2024 10:19

It’s a vicious circle. The easier it is to borrow money, the more people are prepared to pay. The more they are prepared to pay, the more sellers want.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 13/05/2024 10:18

BusyMintCrab · 13/05/2024 10:10

No, people should have the option. It’s hard enough for people to get on the housing ladder atm.

In that case, are 'Endowment mortgages' still available, why not go for that gamble? That put more money in lenders pockets and sadly, many were missold these mortgages as they did not understand or were advised re small print

They tried to sell us an endowment mortgage - we did not want the risk and had to say NO several times as the lenders made it look very tempting

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jun/20/mortgage-ticking-timebomb-i-warned-of-has-exploded-says-martin-lewis

Mortgage ‘ticking timebomb’ I warned of has exploded, says Martin Lewis

Comments come as data shows average two-year fixed rate rises to 6.07%, and five-year to 5.72%

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jun/20/mortgage-ticking-timebomb-i-warned-of-has-exploded-says-martin-lewis

OP posts:
budgiegirl · 13/05/2024 10:18

40 years IMO is just fueling the price rises in property

As is owning more than one property, surely? How about starting with limiting the number of properties a person can own? Or is that not a good idea because it affects you?

PTSDBarbiegirl · 13/05/2024 10:17

40 years shouldn't be necessary but as most will be working for 55 years or even more then maybe it should be an option. I'd just prefer major reform of our economy and social system.

BIossomtoes · 13/05/2024 10:15

Oh dear. You again. 🙄

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 13/05/2024 10:14

BusyMintCrab · 13/05/2024 10:10

No, people should have the option. It’s hard enough for people to get on the housing ladder atm.

Hello
You have missed the point of my thread, IE to stem the price rises, steep rises and to protect lenders, as per my OP, and I reiterate, the buyer demonstrating the ability to save amounts to pay the mortgage and not put more money into lenders pockets

MN's may recall the ENDOWMENT mortgages and how many are now stuck with their initial loans not being paid off at the end of the 25/30 years - just fulled price rises IMO

OP posts:
Peonies12 · 13/05/2024 10:14

"FYI, we paid off on our own property and a couple of rentals about 14 years ago possibly a bit more"

Perhaps take a second to consider your privilege here.

Birdseyetrifle · 13/05/2024 10:14

Can you really not understand that the world has changed, house prices are way, way more than when you bought in comparison to wages.
Wages have stagnated. Rental prices are astronomical, everything is really expensive compared to 20-30 years ago.
This is why people are taking much longer mortgages with much less deposit. It’s not hard to understand 🙄

Peonies12 · 13/05/2024 10:13

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 13/05/2024 10:02

I wonder why someone with a property and a few rentals wants to make it harder for other people to buy their own homes. Curious.....

Exactly. As someone who has had to take out a 35 year mortgage recently just to afford a modest property, I won't even consider the advice of someone like OP. You have no idea what it's like now.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/05/2024 10:13

You can only get a 40 year mortgage if you’re under 30 anyway so I don’t really see the issue tbh. I think the most I’ve ever had is 35 years but we’ve got less now as my husband is older.

i don’t see the issue, we’ll all be working forever anyway and it’s nicer to have more money now , in the years that you need it with the lower payments.

Livinghappy · 13/05/2024 10:12

If 40 year mortgages fuel house prices then it's not positive.

House prices have to get to reasonable levels and government should interfere to force builders to release their land banks to build houses.

I also think private landlords need to be capped with councils and non profit housing associations taking over so private landlords are in the minority.

AMistakePlusKeleven · 13/05/2024 10:12

We bought our first house at 21 and took out a long term mortgage. We’ve lowered the term over remortgages and will overpay once our children are a bit older but it helped us get on the ladder. Early repayments are easy to make.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 13/05/2024 10:11

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 13/05/2024 10:02

I wonder why someone with a property and a few rentals wants to make it harder for other people to buy their own homes. Curious.....

Seriously?? How about this proposal stemming price rises?? How would that benefit those with BTL mortgages as many bank on not just rental income but good rise in values??

OP posts:
BusyMintCrab · 13/05/2024 10:10

No, people should have the option. It’s hard enough for people to get on the housing ladder atm.