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yesthatsmyactualname · 12/05/2024 23:02

I have been hearing rumours about an old colleague from various sources, let's call him Sid.
Sid is a gay man in his 30s. He has had a series of long term relationship with men younger than him but not crazy young, 3-5 years younger.
He is also involved in a lot of amateur dramatics. Apparently, his most recent relationship ended after he took a young guy to Blackpool for the weekend. They are just good friends but this is a lad of 18 and Sid was on the production team of the show.
Rumours about Sid being too friendly with a number of young boys. Being someone to look up to, being a mentor. It all could be completely harmless but the grooming rumours going round both the am-dram community and in schools, is a lot.
I feel these rumours should be passed on to either be dismissed and stopped or to stop him from harming children.
My colleague that told me the rumour isn't going to say to anyone in authority because they don't want to be involved or make malicious claims with no evidence.
I have even less evidence so would I be unreasonable to pass on what I've heard?

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TraitorsGate · 14/05/2024 09:08

So are you going to speak to someone about this or just let the rumours continue

CurlewKate · 14/05/2024 08:36

@yesthatsmyactualname I can't decide where you heard about the 14 year olds staying over.

OhHelloMiss · 14/05/2024 04:29

Well, you seem to be enjoying throwing his name around, speculating about it all yourself!

yesthatsmyactualname · 13/05/2024 22:21

I've suggested to the others that lead the drama group that they put in place protocols suggesting no sleepovers after an after show party.
As I say, the only thing I know for certain is the 18 year old. The fact that he has known Sid for years and there are younger boys that he is close to does make me feel it is dodgy but I'm not really involved.
Interestingly, he is much closer to the boys than the girls, very much a mentor.
I like Sid. I really hope it is harmless, albeit stupid to put himself in the position of suspicion.
I really, really hope there is nothing to these rumours but I will feel terrible if the rumours are true and he wasn't stopped.

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OurChristmasMiracle · 13/05/2024 12:48

You need to raise it with the safeguarding lead for them to take the necessary steps.

if this is completely innocent he needs to be sat down and explained to him that whilst not illegal his activities are potentially not appropriate as there is a power imbalance, and inviting/allowing teenagers to stay over especially those under age is of course going to raise concerns and rumours.

going to Blackpool with an 18yr old is consenting adults UNLESS this young man was mentored by him for a number of years there isnt anything you can do.

MushMonster · 13/05/2024 11:59

I know where you are coming from OP.
Lots of recent reports about grooming of young teens/ young men in the nedia industry recently. And nobody seemed to "notice".
But I think you need to perceive these things first hand.
I would be direct with the people telling you about this: and what do you make of it? Do you suspect any possible grooming? Have you thought of it needing reporting? I would ask them direct questions.

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 13/05/2024 11:53

I would always advise anyone with a child safeguarding query to contact NSPCC for advice.

IAmThe1AndOnly · 13/05/2024 11:51

LakeTiticaca · 13/05/2024 10:44

I hear what you are saying and I don't for one moment think that gay man=predatory paedophile.
This man took an 18 year old lad to blackpool for a weekend. Which is, of course, legal, Which many pps vehemently pointed out. However, on another recent thread regarding older men being interested in younger girls, there were howls of absolute outrage calling these men every shade of sleazy. So it seems to be a bit double standards to me!!!
Also if this man is allowing teenage boys to stay over at his flat, he is walking on very thin ice, however innocent it quite possibly is, onlookers will not see it that way.
Just like they would if it was teenage girls x

I don’t dispute that a 30 year old in a relationship with an 18 year old is questionable, even though it isn’t illegal.

But OP didn’t drip-feed the allegations that he’s having young boys to stay over at his house until people didn’t jump on the “report him” bandwagon.

And the truth is that nobody knows. If it’s true then however is privy to this information needs to report him. No question. But it’s simply not ok to start rumours that this man is having young boys staying over without any basis other than that he took an 18 year old to Blackpool.

If there’s evidence then they need to present it, not sit gossiping about it

graceinspace999 · 13/05/2024 11:31

yesthatsmyactualname · 13/05/2024 07:17

The stories go along the lines of Sid suggests the group to various boys at school to give them more confidence. This is a good thing. I'm not knocking that.
The boys range from 14 up. Sid is their "go to" person with any issues. He is their best friend and confidant. Then this is where the rumours start. He lets some of them stay over at his after shows. Some of the boys appear infatuated with him and instead of stopping this, he appears to go along with it.

Staying over?

Report him. As an adult it is a duty to report your suspicions and this is inappropriate.

It may come to nothing but it’s best to err on the side of caution.

misszebra · 13/05/2024 11:24

so he is a school teacher you are saying?

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 10:59

My DS, who is 23 would be "strongly advised" not to go to Blackpool with an 18 year old student he was working with. Regardless of sex or sexuality. Obviously it's entirely legal.

LakeTiticaca · 13/05/2024 10:44

IAmThe1AndOnly · 13/05/2024 09:46

The thing is that it wasn’t so long ago that gay men were automatically tarred with the brush of being interested in young boys.

In my dad’s time his mum had a gay friend but it was made very clear that the boys were never to be alone with him because if he was interested in men then he was interested in boys, doesn’t matter if he wasn’t, that was the assumption.

Where I worked previously they had a gay man working in the attached nursery, and loads of the women didn’t want to put their sons in there because he was gay and so naturally had an interest in young boys/children.

I’m not saying that it couldn’t happen, but society has created this stereotype around gay men which suggests that they are naturally interest in, and therefore a danger to, young boys, and so when a rumour like this is spread it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be born out of pure prejudice.

If people know that this is going on, then they need to report it. Not anonymously, if you’re prepared to spread around this kind of talk then you need to be prepared to put your name to it.

I hear what you are saying and I don't for one moment think that gay man=predatory paedophile.
This man took an 18 year old lad to blackpool for a weekend. Which is, of course, legal, Which many pps vehemently pointed out. However, on another recent thread regarding older men being interested in younger girls, there were howls of absolute outrage calling these men every shade of sleazy. So it seems to be a bit double standards to me!!!
Also if this man is allowing teenage boys to stay over at his flat, he is walking on very thin ice, however innocent it quite possibly is, onlookers will not see it that way.
Just like they would if it was teenage girls x

baroqueandblue · 13/05/2024 10:33

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 10:26

@baroqueandblue For the avoidance of doubt, it is always misogynist to use the word "hysterical".

Noted, thank you 👍

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 10:26

@baroqueandblue For the avoidance of doubt, it is always misogynist to use the word "hysterical".

baroqueandblue · 13/05/2024 10:11

WomenStuff · 13/05/2024 09:59

Yes, some people were suggesting statutory rape is inherent to gay culture.

It isn't.

Hence why I'm shocked at SOME of the posts.

I don't think it's "hysterical" to be shocked at homophobia. I expect better from this forum.

Yes there were also reasonable posts.

My apologies, I misinterpreted your comment on homophobia. Because my misinterpretation got my back up, I lashed out with the word 'hysteria', although I didn't mean that mysogynistically. (Men can be hysterical on MN sometimes too. Occasionally, I'm a case in point!)

Thank you for responding with tolerance, I really appreciate (and admire) that 🙏

WomenStuff · 13/05/2024 09:59

baroqueandblue · 13/05/2024 09:47

Personally I think it's more homophobic to suggest that statutory rape is somehow inherent to gay culture. The hysteria in your tone is misplaced, there have been plenty of reasoned responses to this thread.

Yes, some people were suggesting statutory rape is inherent to gay culture.

It isn't.

Hence why I'm shocked at SOME of the posts.

I don't think it's "hysterical" to be shocked at homophobia. I expect better from this forum.

Yes there were also reasonable posts.

Poettree · 13/05/2024 09:58

*young not you.

Poettree · 13/05/2024 09:58

@baroqueandblue you sound like a misogynist, there is no hysteria in her post.

I have read two memoirs recently, both by gay men, both describing brutal rapes when they were you and drunk and vulnerable. Both planned and from the way they did it, serial offenders. #metoo for gay men is only just beginning. Men rape, gay or straight. It's inherent to men and yes, yes #notallmen obviously.

baroqueandblue · 13/05/2024 09:47

WomenStuff · 13/05/2024 09:43

Jfc at some of the replies here.

Gay kids deserve to be protected from predators too.

Personally I think it's more homophobic to accept statutory rape as being somehow inherent to gay culture.

Agree with PP about drama being an area where boundaries can blur. So extra extra important for any adult working with kids in drama to understand safeguarding.

I despair that as a society we never ever learn.

Personally I think it's more homophobic to suggest that statutory rape is somehow inherent to gay culture. The hysteria in your tone is misplaced, there have been plenty of reasoned responses to this thread.

IAmThe1AndOnly · 13/05/2024 09:46

LakeTiticaca · 13/05/2024 08:22

Change that to "straight man is interested in young girls "
How different would that be?

The thing is that it wasn’t so long ago that gay men were automatically tarred with the brush of being interested in young boys.

In my dad’s time his mum had a gay friend but it was made very clear that the boys were never to be alone with him because if he was interested in men then he was interested in boys, doesn’t matter if he wasn’t, that was the assumption.

Where I worked previously they had a gay man working in the attached nursery, and loads of the women didn’t want to put their sons in there because he was gay and so naturally had an interest in young boys/children.

I’m not saying that it couldn’t happen, but society has created this stereotype around gay men which suggests that they are naturally interest in, and therefore a danger to, young boys, and so when a rumour like this is spread it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be born out of pure prejudice.

If people know that this is going on, then they need to report it. Not anonymously, if you’re prepared to spread around this kind of talk then you need to be prepared to put your name to it.

Anonymous2025 · 13/05/2024 09:43

Any person I a position if power over a young person male or female that actively seeks a relationship with them is a predator . I would I report it , probably won’t end up in anything but his name will stay on record .
And people dismissing because it’s a man and young men wow ! If this was a man behaving in a Predatory way towards a young woman people would be replying different

WomenStuff · 13/05/2024 09:43

Jfc at some of the replies here.

Gay kids deserve to be protected from predators too.

Personally I think it's more homophobic to accept statutory rape as being somehow inherent to gay culture.

Agree with PP about drama being an area where boundaries can blur. So extra extra important for any adult working with kids in drama to understand safeguarding.

I despair that as a society we never ever learn.

Todaywasbetter · 13/05/2024 09:22

Go and speak to the person who told you about 14-year-olds sleeping over, tell them you are going to report him and give their name as a source if you’re not willing to do that then you’re just another gossip

Poettree · 13/05/2024 09:14

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 09:05

When it ones to drama, the boundaries are sometimes less easy to maintain than with something like football. The nature of the activity is likely to be more intense and emotional-and the relationships deeper. all the more reason for the utmost clarity and rigidity of those boundaries.

Yes beautifully put. Although football is also pretty intense and emotional in a different way (I say that coming from an arts background). A coach or adult in any relationship to kids at that age needs to tread so carefully. This guy does not sound like he got that memo.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 13/05/2024 09:14

Why is he having teenage boys sleep over at his house? That really doesn't sound appropriate. I wonder at the parents allowing it