If you own a ranger rover

Twice?

Trendy to hate JLR - why is the make mentioned so prominently in this report?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqvnvpxejv8o

Oh I'm leaving this thread now, it's become absurd and I can't believe the knots people are tying themselves into to prove all Range Rover drivers are evil fuckwits happy to damage other cars and force their drivers off the road. Ridiculous.

All I know about Range Rovers (and, to be honest, most big flashy 4x4s) is that the arseholes who drive them seem to think they should never have to see the back of my 2008 fiesta, so they will drive up my
arse even when I’m doing close to the limit on a NSL A road before flashing their ridiculously bright lights in my children’s eyes to try and make me go faster and eventually doing a dangerous overtake and speeding off, until they catch up to the next poor fucker up the road and do it all again.

I don’t think bringing up the Wimbledon incident is relevant as investigation continues and it was a possibility that the driver suffered a medical
episode.

PP just compared accident frequency between a whole class of vehicles and one type by one manufacturer.

I don’t think anyone who owns a 70k plus car is hitting their door into someone else

thats absurd. You’re dismissing my experience and hundreds of others, because people with expensive cars won’t open doors on other cars?

I'm telling you, I have seen it. Repeatedly. If anyone is Surrey-based, drive to the Waitrose in West Byfleet, watch anything Land Rover try and park there, then watch the horror as they try to get out. you physically can’t without the door touching another car.

The most dangerous drivers out there are the hesitant nervous drivers in small cars. I have seen so many accidents of two small cars bumped into each other. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Range Rover smashed into the back of or being the person that’s gone into someone.

You’re really going to do this @Gems2k , in a decade where a Defender careered off a road and killed several children?

What happened to this Range Rover a fortnight ago, @Gems2k - was it put off its majestic wafting manners by a small car driver?

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24289310.man-discharged-hospital-range-rover-crash/

What about this Range Rover in Swindon ?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/range-rover-lorry-crash-swindon-111716436.html

what about this one who has been arrested ?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/range-rover-driver-arrested-after-29112227.amp

I'm just the same. I'm really not interested in the cars other people drive, I'm really not that into cars to be perfectly honest. But I'm pleased I've found the perfect car for me and my needs. I'm baffled by the vicious character assassination because I'm exactly the same person whether I'm driving my Range Rover or the old VW our DCs learned to drive in.

I have been fortunate enough to own many nice cars and I am certainly not the one smashing my door into the cheap car next to me. It is often the other way around. I also always park my cars as far away from others as possible and walk further to prevent people from smashing their door into my car. I don’t think anyone who owns a 70k plus car is hitting their door into someone else. The most dangerous drivers out there are the hesitant nervous drivers in small cars. I have seen so many accidents of two small cars bumped into each other. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Range Rover smashed into the back of or being the person that’s gone into someone. And before you say I mustn’t drive much I cover 20k+ miles a year in varying vehicles.

I am certainly not one who is "spewing venom".

I resent people buying cars that put my DCs in greater danger because they are unable to drive them properly.

I dislike people buying cars that they patently cannot park properly within the lines, and then struggle to get out of correctly without hitting the doors of my car.

It is a complete fallacy to believe that owning these cars doesn't have an impact on others.

It’s not the attitude they don’t want one. Humans generally do have very different likes and dislikes that what brings the variety to life. However, the venom that drips from some of these posts about people’s self beliefs, low esteem, general character assassination screams jealousy. I don’t like many cars but I don’t spew venom at the owners. I just think oh they must like that car, not for me but no one is forcing me to buy one so I get on with my day. 🤣

"My friend's mother bought a Vogue SE three or four years ago for just short of six figures. Today it's worth 35k, can't shift it because people can't be insured easily on it without paying £8 or £9k minimum. This is luxury?"

Yes, of course it's still a very luxurious car to drive, regardless. It simply doesn't matter to me what it costs to tax, or how much it depreciates or what it's resale value might be. I certainly didn't buy one as a practical financial consideration, I drive one because I love it, that's all.

But I drive a Range Rover Vogue and nothing you have written applies to me. The only reason I drive one is because it's the most comfortable, best equipped car I've ever driven and it's the most enjoyable to drive. That really is all there is to it for me.

The later range Rovers look pretty much the same as some models of Peugeot (or is it another make) and as you can't hose down the interior after having put half a ton of building sand or soil in the back (and muddy boots in the front) I am not in favour although granted later engine technology improves the fuel consumption but also when the 'computer says NO' you are stuffed. I bought an elderly Freelander (2003 model) in France as I DO have a field and need to tow a trailer although I suppose a 4WD Dacia Duster (essentially a Renault) might be considered eventually. The Freelanders have BMW 2 litre diesel engines heavily managed by 'computer' so they ease off the fuel if it 'thinks' there is a risk of smoking.

Legroom They need the car for rear space. Legroom in the back. No other car offers it. Nothing - not a Skoda Superb (more legroom), a S Class SWB (more legroom), I could go on... no. Range Rover is the only car which offers legroom. Oh and don't forget - their DH is tall, so what else can he drive?

As I've said upthread, the legroom is crap in the back of the RR Sport and better in our Ford Focus/Seat Leon. The interior fittings are bulky and the front seats are high so it's quite claustrophobic in the back. Add in a tall front seat passenger and it's even worse.

Size It has a big boot. Again, no other car (Superb, S Max, Passat estate, Alhambra, Sharan) exists. No other car can do what the Range Rover can in terms of load space. Quoting statistics is irrelevant - Range Rover is the 'biggest'

The boot isn't that great either, my Volvo XC90 had a much bigger and more usuable boot.

I bought mine as I liked the look, it was really smooth to drive (and quick acceleration which can be useful in heavy traffic on roundabouts etc) and I thought the level of interior finish was beautiful. My replacement BMW is also nice but a step down (bar the reliability).

P.S for what it is worth, I could afford a Range Rover.

Not an L460 or an L405...but I'd rather not have my car top of the list for keyless theft. My friend's mother bought a Vogue SE three or four years ago for just short of six figures. Today it's worth 35k, can't shift it because people can't be insured easily on it without paying £8 or £9k minimum. This is luxury?

No, my preferred would be L322 (2009 - 2011, clear glass, in green or blue).

But I refuse to spend

• £750 odd on tax a year
• £0000s on insurance...
• then have the thing break down regularly (google it)
• chew through front and rear suspension bushes
• throw a wobbly on electrics every so often
• do an absurdly low MPG
• Then air suspension fails
• then automatic gearbox
• And you never know when you're going to get random loss of power on the motorway

Sounds great!

The cognitive dissonance that goes on with Range Rover owners is hilarious.

They cannot be argued with. They will tell you that black is white. But before then they will tell you these six things -

1. Legroom They need the car for rear space. Legroom in the back. No other car offers it. Nothing - not a Skoda Superb (more legroom), a S Class SWB (more legroom), I could go on... no. Range Rover is the only car which offers legroom. Oh and don't forget - their DH is tall, so what else can he drive?
2. Rural Range Rover is the only car which can cope with British roads. They live 'rurally' ( in reality, they live somewhere where a field is visible within a 5 minute drive ) and so that is always trotted out as the justification for ownership .
3. Size It has a big boot. Again, no other car (Superb, S Max, Passat estate, Alhambra, Sharan) exists. No other car can do what the Range Rover can in terms of load space. Quoting statistics is irrelevant - Range Rover is the 'biggest'
4. Safety Range Rover is the safest car on the road (sorry Volvo XC90, sorry Mercedes EQS, sorry 5 series BMW, you don't exist to these people). It is the safest because it is the BIGGEST. No one wants to be in a 'little tin can' of a Toyota Yaris, despite the 5 star NCAP rating. No - being in a small car means you don't care about your DCs. When the battle of the road begins, make sure you're in the biggest tank.
5. Maintenance They will chortle to you about how they are a member of the "500 club" - as in, every time they book their car in for a repair, it's £500. They'll tell you this as a badge of honour, as in, £500 every so often is NOTHING to me. Meanwhile, those of us with 5-year maintenance plans on reliable cars, are curling up in inadequate embarrassment that we cannot just 'splash out' like this.
6. Envy if you raise any of the 5 points above, you must be envious. Everyone, and I mean everyone, secretly wants Range Rover. Nothing else is good enough, and means you didn't work hard enough.

I haven't even bothered on the arguments such as parking in disabled spaces , or road manners (I live in Surrey, I see these vehicles there regularly without a blue badge), terrible road manners (refusing to give way when parked cars are on their side, barrelling through on country roads when the passing space is their side) , or environmental concerns, or potholes increasing due to big heavy cars..

Why bother? No one can reason with these people. They are high on credit spending power. Their leased car tells them they are powerful, they contribute to society, they pay more tax than you. You can't argue with money.

But we're not all like that and PPs seem to think all RR drivers are inconsiderate arseholes. I've never parked in a disabled space and I'm conscious of the RR being large so I try to park it where there's space and walk if needed.

There are considerate RR drivers just as there are inconsiderate Audi (or whatever) drivers. Some premiership footballers have kids at our school and one was the worst for parking in a disabled space (in his fancy sports car) because he couldn't be arsed to walk 30 metres. Ironic given his occupation but there you go.

@vitahelp I used to think the whole 'BMW drivers' rhetoric was weird until I had kids and my sense of risk on the road increased massively. Then I realised that the speeding cars, lack of indicating on our local roundabout and general dickish driving I saw every day was, indeed, mainly BMW drivers. And I have similar experience with RRs. They line up like some military parade in the disabled spots at my gym. No blue badges of course. And our local school has a 'no access' road to prevent car drivers dropping off kids at the gate in quite a narrow and dangerous road. But guess what cars constantly use it to drop their darlings at the gate? Yep, RRs.
There was a time a few years ago when I thought 'ooh nice looking car' but seeing the selfish entitlement it seems to grant their drivers has put me right off.

@blue345 Yes that’s true actually that the large Audi Q7-Q8/BMW X6-X8 seem to avoid criticism unlike RR. It is the corporate looking saloon BMW/Audis that seem to attract the comments.

I’ve never thought of RRs as being speeding driver cars really, they are quite top heavy and don’t look made for fast driving. I look at them as a comfortable leisurely drive. The fast drivers I know who like a powerful car are usually in a hatch (Golf R) or small saloon.

This thread has surprised me and I don’t really come across these sorts of opinions outside of this site.

You can buy pretty huge SUVs, for example the Audi Q8, that are equally large and heavy. I was also the driver not going more than 70 while plenty of Audis and BMWs shot past on the motorway. I find some of the worst tail-gaters are Vectras.

They're also taxed fairly heavily as is. There's VAT on the purchase price, fuel duty on the petrol or diesel (mine wasn't very efficient) and higher road tax.

I take gentle ribbing about driving a RR as fair game but this thread has shown some pretty strong opinions that aren't really based in reality. I get the anti SUV feeling but not sure why BMW, Mercedes and Audi and (frankly Landcruiser and Toureg) drivers get a free pass.

But the exact same comments are made about about Audi and BMW drivers, another two brands and another massive group of drivers. VW are virtually the same as Audis but seem to escape the judgment.
When people make the “typical bmw drivers” comment they sound so stupid to me. Most drivers switch brands anyway so it’s a myth.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-05-15/in-montreal-suv-drivers-must-pay-hefty-new-fees-to-park

Tax and parking-charge these vehicles, please. Heavily.

The UK is a small, densely populated country with a green belt policy that makes it hard for cities to swell to American proportions to accommodate giant car-sized roads/parking/infrastructure. You need to be squeezing the drivers of these vehicles until they are pleading for mercy, or you can expect ever-worsening potholes, pavement damage and congestion in cities.

It makes me smile every time I see it....

I think they should rebrand to ranger rover