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Justnavigating · 11/05/2024 13:21

Firstly - I know rules are in place for a reason and that when it comes down to it , you don’t pay you get a fine . But this happened to my brother today and it made me really angry for him !

He collects his children from an area about 30 min from the city centre . He gets the train . He usually gets the bus to the city centre then the train , then gets off at the city centre on the way back and takes them for food in the city centre as a treat then gets the bus home . So he gets a single to get the children then he gets a family ticket back to the city centre . Today , he decided to stay on the train and not get off at the city centre but a few stops later at a station near where he lives . When he arrived at the station near his hours he saw police checking tickets at the exit and then he realised he hadn’t got the ticket back to this station , only to the city centre a few stops before . So he went on his app and purchased a ticket quickly for him and the children from the city centre to where he was getting off . He said he just didn’t think when he was on the train . But he paid it . If he had originally booked it back to this station it would have only been £1.20 more but he got the ticket on his app from the city centre to this stop that cost him £5.20 . He did it as he got off the train as he realised at that point when he saw the police , that his ticket wasn’t valid.

So , he then walked over and showed them and they said they saw that he had just done that and the time was different ( they could see it was for trains after as he had just booked it ) . He explained what had happened and that he just forgot so that’s why he had done it and that the fare had now been paid but they said that he wouldn’t have done that if they hadn’t been there so they gave him a fine - £50 if paid within a certain amount of time £100 if not . He isn’t confrontational and he had his children with him . He did say to them that he had paid the fare so did they really need to give him the fine and he said the officer was quite rude and said that that’s what happens when you try to dodge fares . He has said that if they weren’t there it’s likely that he wouldn’t have even realised he hadn’t paid for those stops on his return , but he did and he did pay for the ticket - so technically he has paid for the ticket and still has the fine .

Im really angry for him . It’s a small station ( he said there were about 15 officers ) it is in a not very nice area and and area where I imagine people would just get on and not pay ( it’s rarely staffed , just machines ) so I get that they are clamping down on it but he realised his mistake and he said he was really embarrassed as about 5 officers surrounded him and his children as though he was a criminal and the one who spoke to him was really rude .

Not that it’s relevant but he really is a good man . He goes every week to collect his children for the weekend from their mother who moved quite far away . He collects them and returns them on the train , he’s a great dad - he would never try to not pay a fare . He works hard … I know the officers don’t know this but when I know there are people that would deliberately not pay and when caught would give fake details - it just angers me . Surely they could have seen that he had paid ( so in this instance just warned him ) but to slap a fine on him and treat him like that when he was with his children it’s just made me so angry .

YABU - he didn’t pay , he shouldn’t have forgot , tough luck

YANBU - the officer could have been lenient or at least not treated him like a criminal

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uhOhOP · 11/05/2024 13:30

Hereyoume · 11/05/2024 13:24

He wouldn't have bought the ticket if the officers weren't there.

He tried to fair dodge. He got caught.

OP said he didn't try to dodge the fare. But yeah, the result is the same in that he didn't pay his fare before boarding the train.

OP, I think the officers could have used their discretion, and that would have been nice for your brother and it sounds from your post as though he'd have been appreciative. I think you sound angrier than you need to be, though. He made a mistake, the mistake cost him a fine, so hereafter he will hopefully avoid such a mistake and it'll all be forgotten about before too long. You don't have to be angry that your good brother received a just fine.

Heronwatcher · 11/05/2024 13:29

Thing is if they let everyone buy a ticket once they saw the inspector then there’d be no point doing checks at all. I think it’s just one of those things. I’d probably have a go at an appeal but on the basis of one ticket already purchased and then a sudden change to journey, not that he is a “good man”.

BMW6 · 11/05/2024 13:27

You surely realise that deliberate fare dodgers offer up every excuse under the sun and there is no way for the inspectors to determine dodgers from genuine!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/05/2024 13:26

I suspect the officers don’t have the power to make exceptions like that, @Justnavigating. If they had, and other passengers who were also getting fined had heard the officer let him off, it could have caused a lot of unnecessary aggro for the officers there.

It is a shame - your brother made a genuine mistake, and corrected it as soon as he realised.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/05/2024 13:25

15 officers at a station checking tickets, really?

Hereyoume · 11/05/2024 13:24

He wouldn't have bought the ticket if the officers weren't there.

He tried to fair dodge. He got caught.

EVHead · 11/05/2024 13:24

You need a ticket for your journey i.e. before you board. That’s it. The police were right that he wouldn’t have purchased a ticket if they hadn’t been there.