To think the level of state involvement many posters expect is bonkers?

IME of working with people who are in greater need of services provided by the state, the attitude of entitlement you speak of is extremely rare. Its far more common for people to have high levels of gratitude for support (even where it's woefully inadequate) and to be embarrassed by their need for it.
I know that doesn't fit a lot of preconceived ideas about vulnerable people, but I've worked with these demographics for over 30 years, and have more confidence in my experience than in a few anecdotes about what someone's entitled neighbour thinks they should be getting.
Regardless, the vast majority of support people resent is aimed at children, who without it would suffer greatly. As galling as it may feel to some of you that their parents are also the indirect beneficiaries of the statutory support aimed at them, would you prefer those blameless children to go without?

Is this true or something you just made up to be angry about?

It's a slightly different flavour to the usual threads as it encompasses more than just benefit bashing, I suppose. But my comment about new posters stands.

Pensioners are the weirdest to me, so many refuse to accept a pension is a benefit (it's the biggest part of the welfare budget), they don't believe they should have been planning themselves for their own personal retirement for the best part of a half century

I think you’ll find paying NI from 16 to 66 is “planning themselves for their own personal retirement for half a century.” Most of today’s pensioners also have occupational pensions on which they pay income tax.

Ummmmm.......

@MistressoftheDarkSide

Well said!!!!

have is the school or state providing for them to slightly narrow the gap between them and their better parented or more resource rich peers

Do you know the cost schools pay for 1-2-1 children who have anger issues? I’m not talking about children with health conditions or disabilities, children who have poor home lives.

There is no intervention strong enough to change the parents input. There is no intervention strong enough to prevent to cycle reoccurring. They are the product of poor parenting. They will themselves become poor parents. Or absent parents.
Throw in SS CAMHS police, NHS, etc and you have some very expensive children who are on a destructive path.

Hold on, you begrudge you the child in this circumstance free schooling? You begrudge them medical attention?

Which children are worthy of free education in your eyes?

Which children deserve medical attention when they would otherwise screaming in pain?

You've let the mask slip here OP.

Lol @ "obviously".
It's not obvious at all to many here on MN that delivering babies into this world is a net social contribution. The Tories have already capped child benefit.

How would you classify women giving birth to babies they know to be disabled in various ways? Downs? Spina bifida? Tay-Sachs?
Should pregnant women be screened and if their babies are not going to be net contributors, given the choice of abortion or funding all future medical care and education for the babies themselves?

The "utility to society" or "social contribution" route is a perilously slippery one.

Every single Briton alive has engaged in behaviour that comes with health risks, including traveling in a car or bus or train. Most have drunk alcohol. Most are now overweight. Most don't get enough exercise.

The state has to provide as it's responsible for creating economic deprivation hand in glove with global leaders and organisations milking the poorest to make the rich richer. That's the reason personal responsibility is slipping, people are giving up. If the state doesn't provide it will end up with the unpleasant kind of anarchy and there will be even more blood on their hands.

And it's no more ridiculous than "parents are wholesale advocating that the state cleans their kids teeth for them"

Totally agree @MistressoftheDarkSide

It is funny how these type of benefit bashing/welfare state bashing threads are so often started by shiny new posters. Why would that be, I wonder?

It's apparently what alot of people would be happy with.

I tell you what. Let's go back to the good old days. Let's start with letting nature take its course in terms of infant mortality , maternal mortality, illness, disability and when you get old, Let's just release the sick and dementia ridden into the wild to take their chances. I mean, better that than have them cost a penny that they haven't grubbed for themselves.

Let people live on the streets. Other poor people in distant places manage somehow? And they are happy and grateful and survive on scraps from the better off.

See how quickly the "feckless" pull themselves up eh? And if they don't or can't well, it's a clear indication we're better off without them.

Let's just keep putting profit before people at every turn.

I mean, it won't be pretty for a while. But as long as we have a strong militia to pick off those stealing or committing crimes, we'll be OK. Corpse clearing could take place before "decent, deserving, hardworking" people (or those with inherited wealth) had to venture out of a morning. We could bring back the death penalty for even minor offences of course that'll learn them. And alot of "them" , the feckless undeserving poor that us will probably cull each other if left to their own devices.

Hyperbole? Not so sure these days to be honest.

Given some of the media rhetoric, posts on here etc I think the worst entitlement of all comes from those who are so convinced they will never end up as one of "them" due to a series of unfortunate events and cumulative systemic failures that are occurring by design that if they did they'd have the shock if their lives.

Every single person is dependent in some way on the state, their community their family. It's how the human race works. If we continue to dehumanise each other simply in the interests of self, we're regressing at a terrifying pace and the bastards behing the curtain have won.

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I still can't drink milk on its own after many years being forced to drink it.
I never got any playtime, as I spent the entire time struggling with the milk, which I never finished.
(We had to drink thru a straw, so the final bit was all the cream at the top... totally disgusting)