To think the level of state involvement many posters expect is bonkers?

@Proudtobeanortherner the issue is that the quality of state provision is dire. We removed our dc from state education because the teachers couldn't construct grammatically correct sentences, spell or correctly label the x and y axes. Add in the continual airing of their political views and dictatorial attitude regarding nutrition when 50% of the staff were clearly obese and it was a no brainer. Thank goodness we had a choice.

Similarly, the NHS denied my DC grommets despite continual pain and unwellness, because the average child caught up by age 7. On what basis they decided our dc were average I shall never know. We paid.

When our DC were born, the then head of the HV service published an article in the Times saying the role of the HV was to teach mothers the three Cs: cooking, cleaning and communication. I don't know if my HV could cook, but she looked grubby, was unable to answer any questions beyond what was published in the leaflets despite telling me she was responsible for my baby developing speech and immunising him and failed to arrive on time for a 9am appointment at the start of her day. So communication and cleanliness were non starters.

How those in need can be successfully helped when the standards of those responsible for support and interventions is woefully low is beyond my ken. Those who should help aren't capable of it and are too liberally woolly ever to provide guidance in relation to right and wrong.

I don’t know, I had a COVID baby (just before really). I also struggled with severe PPD so wasn’t the best mum for the first year or so (I don’t think I even bonded with her until she was over 3) She was still potty trained by 2, taught to use a spoon and a fork etc. I was deeply depressed for 2 years and I still managed it, it wasn’t easy but I have responsibility for my child regardless of how I feel, having a strong sense of duty is sometimes the only thing keeping you moving.

I would also say the majority of children my DC was with at nursery were either potty trained or on their way there. There was only one mum who objected to nursery telling her to potty train. But we aren’t in the UK and I think that makes a difference. People just get on with it.

Read The Road to Wigan Pier would be my first thought. Followed by The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, perhaps.

The number of times when told be a stroppy parent in school 'I pay your wages' I've wanted to say 'No, those who bother to get out of bed in the morning pay them, me included'. Strangely these were the type who knew all about mi'rights' but oddly didn't know the word responsibilities.

A genuine question: how much of this is down to the NHS and the Welfare State? Pre WWII adults were responsible for their lives; they might pay into a Union welfare fund or pay for the Penny School
for their children and the coming came if you could pay. I am not saying that it was fair and certainly not ideal but you knew what to do and took responsibility for your life. It was grossly unfair for some but now hasn’t the pendulum swung too far the other way and some adults think that they don’t have to take responsibility for anything. Thoughts?

Any parent sending their child to school in nappies for no certified medical reason, ie not 'he/she's not ready', should be required to go to the school as required to deal with the consequences of their laziness. Nobody in a school should be expected to deal with this.

Could it be argued that without all these accidental pregnancies there wouldn’t be enough babies being born?

A large number of people don't 'pay in' through income tax for whatever reason and often are the people taking the larger share.

Why people start threads? Idk why does anyone

Not inferring anything, just wondering why.

The post I responded to specifically mentioned five year olds. 🤷‍♀️

I bet 😂

The decline and rot was well set in long before Covid. We've had decades of it.

Can't say I'm enamoured with describing kids as feral, but come on, have a little think about this. Can you see any connection between your genuine fear regarding "I can’t imagine what society is going to look like in 20 years time" and the calls made by people that we should invest in more active interventions now to improve that very same future?

Paying a compulsory tax is hardly "planning for your future" is it? In fact it's the opposite. It's abdication of responsibility and assuming/hoping that it will all turn out OK in the end.

across

Tbh, it’s accross the board. There is so much self entitlement out there. I mean you only have to look at the recent stomping of the feet and ranting in response to the government’s plans to address the benefit/disability process, to see that people are just becoming more and more dependent on the authorities or tax payers to look after their families. There are a lot of feral kids out there who haven’t been taught by their parents to do anything, because parents think it’s the responsibility of the schools or overstretched NHS and social services. And todays feral kids become tomorrows feral adults. I can’t imagine what society is going to look like in 20 years time.

Oh, a fellow nerd! You’ve made my day.

Whatever

Implying?

Implying. It's up to you and me to infer.

Well there was me thinking children had two parents.

How many single mothers do you genuinely know who have gone from 18 to pension age without doing a day's work, or being a homemaker for a working partner? And would you swap your lifestyle for thiers?

What are you inferring?

Don’t you have one coming up? Do you have US sites where you’re more worried about your own politics

Or are we to blame for Trump also

Also what are you suggesting about the op, don’t be coy

Yes indeed.

It's almost as if there was an election around the corner.