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School allergy policy and cosmetics - AIBU to think this is overkill?

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Areolaborealis · 11/05/2024 10:51

DD has extremely dry skin and hair, and after trying various chemical-laden and expensive products, we've found using natural oils in the bath to be the most effective management (rapeseed, coconut, and castor oil usually). We've been doing this for years.

DD9's school has a very strict no nuts and seeds policy that has recently been extended to cosmetics. After a recent bag inspection, DDs moisturiser was sent home because it contained castor oil (I actually didnt realise this). I have no issue with not sending this to school but it got me thinking about whether it's irresponsible to still use these oils at home given that she will presumably take traces into school with her. FWIW, there are no known nut, seed, coconut or castor allergies in her class but I don't know about the rest of the school. I hate the idea of sending DD into school covered in an allergen but I'm not sure how much I want this policy to dictate what we use at home. DD has become anxious about this and has started checking all our product ingredients.

AIBU to think this is overkill?

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 11/05/2024 20:54

FiatEarth · 11/05/2024 10:58

It's ridiculous and unfair on everyone who doesn't have an allergy.

The ones with the allergy if it's that severe should be taught in isolation.

Bloody hell. Even aside from how bizarrely cruel it would be to teach a child in isolation from the age of 4, how the fuck are schools supposed to manage this?

This may be the most unreasonable comment I've ever seen on MN!

VestibuleVirgin · 11/05/2024 19:50

This is bloody ridiculous. If someone is so severely allergic to a product, they shouldn't be out and about. What if a person unrelated to school was wearing some seed-based cream walking past them?
The whole allergy thing is becoming completely stupid.

mitogoshi · 11/05/2024 19:40

The question is does she need access to moisturiser during the school day for medical purposes? If so you need a dermatologist letter explaining what she needs to carry in her school bag.

rainbowsparkle28 · 11/05/2024 19:30

FiatEarth · 11/05/2024 10:58

It's ridiculous and unfair on everyone who doesn't have an allergy.

The ones with the allergy if it's that severe should be taught in isolation.

Really inclusive approach you have there...how dare someone be so inconvenient as to have an allergy 🙄

TeenLifeMum · 11/05/2024 19:26

Bonkers. Dd3 is allergic to coconut but we still have coconut products and food… dd3 doesn’t use them, obviously!

Areolaborealis · 11/05/2024 19:24

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 11/05/2024 19:21

@Areolaborealis what is the school's policy on cosmetics? are you sure the confiscation was due to the ingredients or due to a ban on make-up?

The problem was the ingredients, not the fact that she had the cream.

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CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 11/05/2024 19:21

@Areolaborealis what is the school's policy on cosmetics? are you sure the confiscation was due to the ingredients or due to a ban on make-up?

Areolaborealis · 11/05/2024 19:12

MotherFeministWoman · 11/05/2024 18:43

There are more and more weird threads like this "Tell me how outrageous this non existent policy/thing no one has said is"

But this actually happened and its causing a moral dilemma for our family. We don't know if anyone has an allergy. We would never knowingly put someone at risk of life threatening illness, but avoiding the only products that work for her skin seems unreasonable without strong evidence that its necessary in the setting. Should I leave her with broken, bleeding skin 'just in case' a hypothetical child suddenly develops an allergy?

Would I be overstepping to ask the school to be more specific about what exactly needs to be avoided rather than just a blanket "all nut and seed related products".

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CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 11/05/2024 19:10

@Areolaborealis has anyone pointed out that castor oil is derived from a bean? not a nut? bean as in the same family as lima beans or kidney beans?

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 11/05/2024 18:58

BookArt · 11/05/2024 18:16

My almost 2 year old has 13 known allergies, she has only just been able to go to the park for the first time, she has only just been to a softplay, I'm on edge most of the time. Her nursery are nut free and take extra measures in her room to support. At this age it is needed to have support from others. But our life is now far more limited.

My 5 year old has just started school in Sept. I have educated him on what his sister's allergies are, what she can and can not eat, he is amazing at asking questions and washing his hands, etc.

So my response to the disgusting person who thinks any one with an allergy should be taught in isolation is that you are a vile person. My daughter deserves to go to school and have friendships and an education like anyone else.

However I do agree with other posters that we need to teach these young people and society about allergies. If my 5 year old can do that anyone can. Allergies are on the rise and we have a duty to care for others, surely that is what makes us human?

I agree. Absolutely vile.

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 11/05/2024 18:53

PKNI · 11/05/2024 11:54

And how exactly does the person with a possibly life threatening severe allergy mitigate against it? Medical advice is usually to avoid exposure to the allergens. I hope neither you nor anyone you love ever develop such an allergy - then you might realise how utterly uncaring some of the rest of the population are! Classic "I'm alright Jack" attitude. I would be ashamed if I'd made your post.

a bit of me kind of hopes they or someone they love does develop an allergy. I bet they would give a shit then!

Sounds like the kind of person who would eat nuts on a flight just because they’ve been told not to. Because fuck it if someone dies so they can have a snack.

disclosure - kids with nut allergies. Although I did already try not to kill anyone before this. Imagine thinking that a moisturiser was more important than the actual life of a child.

Littlefish · 11/05/2024 18:50

@MrsAvocet I was going to say the sane thing about the message from the Anaphylaxis Association regarding not saying that you are a 'nut-free' school as it creates complacency.

MotherFeministWoman · 11/05/2024 18:43

There are more and more weird threads like this "Tell me how outrageous this non existent policy/thing no one has said is"

fashionqueen0123 · 11/05/2024 18:36

Why castor oil? I looked it up and it’s made from a plant. Not nuts? I would be asking them.

Overthebow · 11/05/2024 18:32

though I’ve read our school policy and there’s nothing about not bringing but containing products in, only food and drink, so it’s ok anyway. And also nothing about not eating nuts before school so she can carry on eating peanut butter for breakfast.

Overthebow · 11/05/2024 18:30

I think that’s going too far. My dd starts school in September, I of course wont send in food with nuts but there’s no way I’m checking ingredients for creams. She’s allergic to a lot of sun creams so the one she can have she will be wearing and taking in to school, nuts or no nuts in the ingredients. She can’t wear others so that one it is.

ThursdayTomorrow · 11/05/2024 18:22

LauraNorda · 11/05/2024 11:30

If a person has an allergy to something, it's up to that person to mitigate, not the rest of the population.

But it would be nice to show kindness towards those with serious illnesses.
What an awful world we live in with attitudes like LauraNorda

Tanyahawkes · 11/05/2024 18:22

BookArt · 11/05/2024 18:16

My almost 2 year old has 13 known allergies, she has only just been able to go to the park for the first time, she has only just been to a softplay, I'm on edge most of the time. Her nursery are nut free and take extra measures in her room to support. At this age it is needed to have support from others. But our life is now far more limited.

My 5 year old has just started school in Sept. I have educated him on what his sister's allergies are, what she can and can not eat, he is amazing at asking questions and washing his hands, etc.

So my response to the disgusting person who thinks any one with an allergy should be taught in isolation is that you are a vile person. My daughter deserves to go to school and have friendships and an education like anyone else.

However I do agree with other posters that we need to teach these young people and society about allergies. If my 5 year old can do that anyone can. Allergies are on the rise and we have a duty to care for others, surely that is what makes us human?

I can’t even begin to imagine how hard that is for you, it’s great though that you have been teaching your son and he’s taking to it like a champ. Different scenario: my dad is diabetic, has been ever since I was little, growing up I was always aware of him injecting insulin, doing blood tests, that if he didn’t get sugar when he needed it or insulin when he needed it that he would get sick, maybe need hospital. When I went to school and in one of my jobs I made friends with girls who had diabetes, I was always checking in with them if they seemed off, making sure they had tested blood or taken insulin.
your son will educate others on allergies, he will look after other kids at school if they have allergies and make sure if they have any possible reaction that he gets them help

ThursdayTomorrow · 11/05/2024 18:19

FiatEarth · 11/05/2024 10:58

It's ridiculous and unfair on everyone who doesn't have an allergy.

The ones with the allergy if it's that severe should be taught in isolation.

The person with the allergy is the one who is suffering.
But hey, as long as you and your kids aren’t inconvenienced in any slight way…

BookArt · 11/05/2024 18:16

My almost 2 year old has 13 known allergies, she has only just been able to go to the park for the first time, she has only just been to a softplay, I'm on edge most of the time. Her nursery are nut free and take extra measures in her room to support. At this age it is needed to have support from others. But our life is now far more limited.

My 5 year old has just started school in Sept. I have educated him on what his sister's allergies are, what she can and can not eat, he is amazing at asking questions and washing his hands, etc.

So my response to the disgusting person who thinks any one with an allergy should be taught in isolation is that you are a vile person. My daughter deserves to go to school and have friendships and an education like anyone else.

However I do agree with other posters that we need to teach these young people and society about allergies. If my 5 year old can do that anyone can. Allergies are on the rise and we have a duty to care for others, surely that is what makes us human?

Tanyahawkes · 11/05/2024 18:13

parkrun500club · 11/05/2024 17:58

I just don’t think you can blanket ban anything from school that may cause a reaction in some people, no more than you can ban things from workplaces and public spaces due to other people’s allergies

As above, I think it depends what the item is. Perfume, yes. Dogs, yes (although then you run into the assistance dog issue). Anything at all with nuts or dairy in it, probably not.

Perfume is surely only an issue for the person it’s sprayed on if sprayed in private and if in public then you should be mindful of others and their allergies, if there’s a perfume allergy do not spray near (or in same room) the person, that’s just a dixkhead move. Dogs is a tricky one as you say, guide dogs and assistance dogs. I mean if you work somewhere and you have a dog allergy I’m not sure if legally you can say no assistance dogs, you might be expected to medicate to prevent reaction (obviously this may not be possible if your reacts are life threatening, I don’t know if medications would work in this scenario)

LadyThistledown · 11/05/2024 18:01

Hateam · 11/05/2024 15:34

Mumsnet has given me an insight into the mind's of other people and it is sometimes horrifying.

It sounds dystopian - but at a quick reading OP made it seem like people couldn't even use any products at home.
If someone's allergy is so severe that even being next to someone else wearing castor hair oil could cause an allergic reaction, what other solution is there?
You cannot ban people from using cosmetic products on themselves before coming in. Especially as certain people (like the OP's DD) have skin/hair that's extremely difficult to manage, you can't just tell them to 'find something else'. Yes they're not going to be hospitalized unlike the allergic person but they are going to be uncomfortable throughout the school day.
Similarly, nut allergies vs an autistic child with severe AFRID who will only eat certain products, some of which contain nuts... what do you do?

There's a difference between people refusing to comply merely because it's 'difficult, 'controlling' or some other bollocks. And doing so because it has a real detrimental impact on their own health.

parkrun500club · 11/05/2024 17:58

I just don’t think you can blanket ban anything from school that may cause a reaction in some people, no more than you can ban things from workplaces and public spaces due to other people’s allergies

As above, I think it depends what the item is. Perfume, yes. Dogs, yes (although then you run into the assistance dog issue). Anything at all with nuts or dairy in it, probably not.

parkrun500club · 11/05/2024 17:57

LauraNorda · 11/05/2024 11:30

If a person has an allergy to something, it's up to that person to mitigate, not the rest of the population.

I think it depends what the allergy is and what the mitigation is.

It's easy enough not to take a moisturiser to school but is less easy not to use it at all.

Isn't the reason schools won't apply sun cream or let the kids apply it in school because of allergies? Although they seem to manage just fine in Australia.

Areolaborealis · 11/05/2024 17:47

Thanks for some interesting points.

I doubt all the staff are restricting their own cosmetic use so presumably the concern is more about sharing rather than fear of the previous nights bath oil particles becoming air borne and causing anaphylaxis. I wont send her with these products, obviously, but we'll carry on using them in the morning unless we're given more specific information. As pp said, there are no restrictions on actually eating nuts/seeds before school so maybe I should apply the same principle here.

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