Page 9 | How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

needatalk · 2024-05-11T09:38:05+00:00

I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law. I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally. My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now. As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place. I'm so worried for the future for us females.

SinnerBoy · 12/05/2024 07:53

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Yesterday 21:20

I can't be arsed to scroll but has lampy given any examples of JKR anti-trans tweets?

No, nor a link to an MN poster saying that transm shouldn't be allowed to get pregnant. Lots of assertions of fact, but nothing to back it up. I've drawn my inferences from that.

DdraigGoch · 11/05/2024 22:26

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:42

People need to stop being tribal idiots.

I'm struggling to understand how/when this bit of it happened. I came of age in the early 2000s. Back then, people had brains and consciences of their own. They didn't feel the need to be identikit sheep.

What happened to change this - I honestly don't get it?

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Twitter. 140 characters (as was) leaves no room for nuance.

DdraigGoch · 11/05/2024 22:23

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 18:22

This is going in circles. I think when someone quotes you or publicly supports you, you should oppose support from them because you care about the danger that person represents to women's rights. Some people don't do that because they want the support of those people's followers.
They don't have to do anything and can just go about their business but they shouldn't profess to champion women's rights and certainly they shouldn't be looked up to by feminists.

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A tweet from JKR can easily be retweeted by 10k people, and quoted or linked by many more. Is she supposed to go through every one of those retweets in order to make sure that none of them was by some halfwit politician in another continent?

DdraigGoch · 11/05/2024 22:19

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 18:08

The science is not clear. Perhaps if you leave your echo chamber you could listen to some intelligent scientists debate the possibilities. If a transman wanted to compete against other men, we can establish a fair way to do that without telling them they can't compete or that they have to compete against women and the arguments that would come from that and if they would need to alter their medication. We have expanded sports so much in their history, we have invented numerous categories to establish fairer yet still interesting competition. I think saying we can't do the same with trans people is lazy. We need more categories. We can't just come up against an issue and say "nah we're sorting that".

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Why aren't transmen signing up to compete with the men? There are transwomen cheating competing in many sports so what's stopping the transmen?

DoreenonTill8 · 11/05/2024 21:44

FrippEnos · 11/05/2024 16:04

Would that be because the "breastmilk" that transwomen produce is full of chemicals and bad for the baby?

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You say that like the baby is of any consideration and not just a lucky tool in the play that is the amazing display of their 'non birth mummy'.....

RufustheFactualReindeer · 11/05/2024 21:27

And she has no examples to give

but mainly the maid bit

RufustheFactualReindeer · 11/05/2024 21:26

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/05/2024 21:20

I can't be arsed to scroll but has lampy given any examples of JKR anti-trans tweets?

No because she is not our maid..

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/05/2024 21:20

I can't be arsed to scroll but has lampy given any examples of JKR anti-trans tweets?

Gingernaut · 11/05/2024 21:00

SinnerBoy · 11/05/2024 11:01

A bunch of nutters lobbying the Government doesn't mean that the Government will do their bidding. There would be uproar, if they did try to deny abortions in the UK.

https://eachother.org.uk/why-is-the-uk-witnessing-a-rise-of-trials-surrounding-abortion/

There are now numerous, traumatised women who have been the subject of legal precedent attempts

Why Is The UK Witnessing A Rise Of Trials Surrounding Abortion? - EachOther

Laura was a 20-year-old university student when she was sentenced to two years in prison for 'illegal abortion'. Laura is not alone...

https://eachother.org.uk/why-is-the-uk-witnessing-a-rise-of-trials-surrounding-abortion

SinnerBoy · 11/05/2024 19:26

Lampy

Except the advance search function is pretty easy on here but thanks for agreeing that there are thousands of such posts!

All you've done is post reams of unsubstantiated shite, with no examples. You just expect people to take your word for your claims.

I'm sure you know that I meant that there are thousands of posts to trawl through, to find the ones you have pretended exist.

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 19:23

And what does 'cosying up' even mean?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/05/2024 19:15

nothingcomestonothing · 11/05/2024 19:10

It would have been quicker and simpler if you'd just said you are stuck in a purity spiral.

People agreeing on one issue, doesn't mean they are cosying up, championing, following, looking up to, supporting, validating or giving credence to each others' views on anything else.

If I should ever find myself at an 'is water wet' conference, and Donald Trump also speaks in support of the theory that water is wet, you seem to think I should use my platform at the 'is water wet' conference to disclaim all of his other ideas. If someone at the conference asks me for my opinion on his other ideas I'll give it, but I'm going to use my 'is water wet' platform to share my thoughts on the wetness of water.

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It's funny how it only ever works one way, isn't it?

LGBTQ+ "allies" are never responsible for the crimes of Karen White and Katie Dolatowski, or Lia Thomas and Laurel Hubbard's trashing of women's sporting categories, or the behaviour of the trans activists who assault women at women's rights events and send death threats to JK Rowling, are they?

nothingcomestonothing · 11/05/2024 19:10

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 18:22

This is going in circles. I think when someone quotes you or publicly supports you, you should oppose support from them because you care about the danger that person represents to women's rights. Some people don't do that because they want the support of those people's followers.
They don't have to do anything and can just go about their business but they shouldn't profess to champion women's rights and certainly they shouldn't be looked up to by feminists.

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It would have been quicker and simpler if you'd just said you are stuck in a purity spiral.

People agreeing on one issue, doesn't mean they are cosying up, championing, following, looking up to, supporting, validating or giving credence to each others' views on anything else.

If I should ever find myself at an 'is water wet' conference, and Donald Trump also speaks in support of the theory that water is wet, you seem to think I should use my platform at the 'is water wet' conference to disclaim all of his other ideas. If someone at the conference asks me for my opinion on his other ideas I'll give it, but I'm going to use my 'is water wet' platform to share my thoughts on the wetness of water.

nothingcomestonothing · 11/05/2024 18:59

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 16:27

So biological women who are adoptive parents shouldn't be allowed to breastfeed then? What about women who smoke? And what's your suggestion - should these children be taken into care? How do we stop it?

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I will call this bullshit whenever I see it. Adoptive mothers in the UK do not breastfeed their adopted children. It doesn't happen. A child would not be placed with an adopter who intended to do this. Why? Because to do so would be to prioritise the wants of the adult, and adoption in the UK always explicitly prioritises the needs of the child over the wantsnof the adults.

LieutOliviaBenson · 11/05/2024 18:47

needatalk · 11/05/2024 11:09

I've read and listen to Miriam Cates, Kate Forbes and Liz Truss and some of the words they use in discussion are being taken from America politics. The UK is a strong minded country but rights can be slowly eroded.

I'm not being funny OP, but you do realise in the case of Miriam Cates and Liz Truss (whose own party thinks she's fucking bonkers!) are about to be ousted? Labour WILL be in power by Christmas.

It sounds more like you're equating women who want sex based rights with right wing evangelists.

timenowplease · 11/05/2024 18:46

I voted YANBU but I disagree with some of what you've said.

The erosion of LGB rights has come from within the movement itself rather than from outside. Coupled with the ramming of the LGBTQI+ alphabet soup/rainbow flag nonsense down everyone's throats has understandably put peoples backs up - and I say that as a lesbian.

Stonewall in the UK has been leading the charge against lesbians and women and girls particularly but gay men too. They even had the neck to change the definition of homosexuality, from same-sex attracted to same gender attracted. Total madness.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/05/2024 18:46

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 18:17

Because you always focus on trans women. It's boring and it's lazy. Transmen exist too and they're of the biological sex you care about but you don't focus on them much which is odd. And they're apparently doing what you are arguing against which is biological women competing against biological males which is apparently totally unfair regardless and could never be categorised to be fair. So Danny Baker should have to fight women in this sex based sport ideal? I think it's a lazy argument that biological sex is all that matters for competing in sport and it would imply Danny has no chance competing against biological males. I think it's interesting to listen to his comments as he doesn't blindly support people competing in categories they wish to and he actually has some interesting advice regarding the categorisation and has opposed some trans women competing in women's categories.

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The reason why we focus on trans women when it comes to sport is because trans women can go from being very mediocre athletes in male categories to winning in female categories, whereas the reverse is not true. Trans men are absolutely no threat to male athletes and nobody really cares which category they compete in as long as they aren't doping.

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:42

Underthinker · 11/05/2024 18:39

Yes but some conservative voters also think this is bad, and if I can't just derive my moral compass by the process of doing exactly the opposite of whatever I see a conservative voter do, then how will I know how to live my life?

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People need to stop being tribal idiots.

I'm struggling to understand how/when this bit of it happened. I came of age in the early 2000s. Back then, people had brains and consciences of their own. They didn't feel the need to be identikit sheep.

What happened to change this - I honestly don't get it?

Gingernaut · 11/05/2024 18:40

RandomButtons · 11/05/2024 10:41

“In the UK, politicians are taking American policies.”

evidence please. I’ve seen no attempts in the U.K. to criminalise abortion or deny LGB a place in society. If you see some of what’s happening in America it’s terrifying for women, lesbians and gays. I’ve not seen anything like that here.

I’ve deliberately left of the T there because thier rights are much more hotly contested and not established in the U.K.

Um, yeah

https://www.desmog.com/2018/11/18/matthew-sarah-elliott-uk-power-couple-linking-us-libertarians-and-fossil-fuel-lobbyists-brexit/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/extreme-us-anti-abortion-group-ramps-up-lobbying-in-westminster

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/02/us-anti-abortion-groups-uk-far-right

Many of the libertarian, right wing political think tanks in the USA have links to the House of Commons

Sometimes it's a meeting here, a speaking at the same conference there and a few phone calls and sometimes it's a few donations (just below any regulatory radars) in the name of fairly innocuous sounding organisations

Very few lobby groups are going to be as overt as Just Stop Oil

‘Extreme’ US anti-abortion group ramps up lobbying in Westminster

The UK branch of the Alliance Defending Freedom has increased its spending and is forging ties with key MPs

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/extreme-us-anti-abortion-group-ramps-up-lobbying-in-westminster

Underthinker · 11/05/2024 18:39

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:33

And prize money ...

It's just devastating really

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Yes but some conservative voters also think this is bad, and if I can't just derive my moral compass by the process of doing exactly the opposite of whatever I see a conservative voter do, then how will I know how to live my life?

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:33

FrippEnos · 11/05/2024 18:31

It gets even worse when you consider that college scholarships are also being put at steak.

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And prize money ...

It's just devastating really

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:32

Isn't it something like 800 national and international women's records that are now held by 'transwomen'? And that's only across a few years. Give it time and there won't be any women's sport to speak of.

FrippEnos · 11/05/2024 18:31

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:28

How can you possibly think that is fair?

No one, including those campaigning for it, thinks it's fair. They just dont care about fairness for women.

It gets even worse when you consider that college scholarships are also being put at steak.

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 18:28

How can you possibly think that is fair?

No one, including those campaigning for it, thinks it's fair. They just dont care about fairness for women.

Underthinker · 11/05/2024 18:26

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 18:22

This is going in circles. I think when someone quotes you or publicly supports you, you should oppose support from them because you care about the danger that person represents to women's rights. Some people don't do that because they want the support of those people's followers.
They don't have to do anything and can just go about their business but they shouldn't profess to champion women's rights and certainly they shouldn't be looked up to by feminists.

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And I still don't know who or what you mean by this. Is it Helen Joyce again or JKR still?Who has received support from someone in circumstances where they should have publicly distanced themselves from that support?