How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

Why is this lunatic thread still here?

@Lampy123678
Incoming selective quote sorry (not sorry).

"Perhaps if you didn't keep selectively quoting my posts you wouldn't miss that I clearly asked for thoughts on biological women who are not birth parents. And again is your issue with the chemicals or not please?"

If you clearly asked this it wasn't in the post I was replying to. I was responding to your question about "biological women using chemicals to induce lactation" if you had meant "biological women who are not birth parents using chemicals to induce lactation" it would have been a different question.

I have never heard the arguments in favour of using medication to help women feed other people's babies. Whether or not I'd agree with that practice, I'm sure such arguments have 100 times more merit than the idea of men chemically inducing lactation to feed babies.

I think if you have multiple friends accused of physical and sexual abuse, you should look at who you associate with particularly if women's safety is a passion of yours.

Couldn't agree more

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And since you seem to be very keen to drag America into a discussion on a UK forum:

@Lampy123678 you appear to be so obsessed that JKR isn't tweeting about every harm done to women all over the world and that if she doesn't, she somehow doesn't care about those harms.

Or if she doesn't tweet against any tweet made by right wing nuts then she is in agreement?

Why is all this her responsibility? She has got a few books to write you know...

And those are just saying she supports access to abortion btw..not raising awareness of the persistence attacks to women's rights to an abortion. No mention at all of the abortion bans in several states. She's veryactive on twitter and she also loves talking about biological reality so I'm very surprised she doesn't get riled up about male politicians suggesting ectopic pregnancies should be reimplanted in the uterus while they're fighting to remove access to life saving abortions.

She's not in America and why should she tweet about what you approve of, you dreary, dreary person.

I think if you have multiple friends accused of physical and sexual abuse, you should look at who you associate with particularly if women's safety is a passion of yours.

Perhaps you should search her twitter then because I find four tweets (ever) and the last one being in 2022. And those are just saying she supports access to abortion btw..not raising awareness of the persistence attacks to women's rights to an abortion. No mention at all of the abortion bans in several states. She's very active on twitter and she also loves talking about biological reality so I'm very surprised she doesn't get riled up about male politicians suggesting ectopic pregnancies should be reimplanted in the uterus while they're fighting to remove access to life saving abortions.

Again (for I don't know how many times now) she was not quote tweeted. A right wing senator literally quotes her while officially filibustering legislation to protect LGBT people and pushing for religious exemptions. The same.religious exemptions he believes in blocking access to abortion. It was on the news and again she's very active on twitter and she manages to pick up very small accounts that mention her in order to quote tweet them to her millions of followers. You can naively believe this didn't cross her radar if you wish, but I don't.

Perhaps if you didn't keep selectively quoting my posts you wouldn't miss that I clearly asked for thoughts on biological women who are not birth parents. And again is your issue with the chemicals or not please?

@Lampy123678
Re: JKR - I think most people give people they know more benefit of the doubt than strangers, because it's human nature to trust your friends.
I haven't been on twitter for a while, but I'm pretty certain JKR has talked about threats to women's rights from both right wing groups and from trans rights activists. She doesn't need to reply to every random Christian fundamentalist that quote tweets her to say she disagrees with them.

Re: Breastfeeding
I think giving medication to women to help breastfeed a baby that they have already carried for nine months, is a very different ethical question to giving a man the same medication to feed a baby to whom they are either unrelated or the biological father.

I think I very clearly stated that JKs stance of supporting and believing women and her concern for women being physically or sexually assaulted seems to not apply to men she is friends with. I think threatening to sue when someone asks if you believe a woman's court submitted evidence which included photos of her injuries is an odd stance when you publicly campaign for the protection of women. Especially when you're friendly with more than one man accused of physical or sexual abuse, it gets a bit suspicious no? So my question was, does she give trans people accused of abuse the benefit of the doubt or is that just reserved for her rich and famous friends?

I also asked why you think she doesn't use her massive platform to address any of the right wing attacks of women's rights that are having very real consequences for women, even when antichoice religious senators publicly quote her.

You're welcome to believe that but again you're choosing to ignore the question of if you also disagree with biological women using chemicals to induce lactation? And is your issue with the chemicals or not? The previous poster started implying their issue was with the chemicals and then said that actually the concern for baby was insufficient milk supply and therefore babies being neglected through lack of food. So are women with insufficient milk supply also being suspected that they would neglect their child or is this only trans people?

I'm simply asking whether the restrictions suggested being applied to trans people should also be applied to women and whether the caution about trans women (or men as everyone keeps insisting they're referred to) should be applied equally to all men.

@Lampy123678
don't think you lost track. I think you didn't have have responses to the discussion you and I were having about the number of GC "feminists" who have nothing to say about right wing groups and religious zealots sticking their beaks into women's healthcare..

I think i did respond several times but it was hard to pin down what your accusation actually was. IIRC when we finally got to what you referring to it was that JKR at one point believed Depp when (pre-trial) he told her he hadn't been abusive to Amber Heard. And from that we can deduce that JKR isn't a feminist doesn't care about women's rights and we can extrapolate that to all other GC women who now also arent feminists.That was the gist right?

but if you're about to argue that you have the right to stick your beak into a trans persons healthcare
I don't think chemically helping a man lactate into a babies mouth is healthcare. No one is being made more healthy in this situation.

Also is there a reason why you keep selectively quoting sentences from my posts so you can remove the context?
Yes it's so when you make a post with multiple points, you and others can more easily see which part I'm responding to or disagreeing with.

I don't think you lost track. I think you didn't have have responses to the discussion you and I were having about the number of GC "feminists" who have nothing to say about right wing groups and religious zealots sticking their beaks into women's healthcare but if you're about to argue that you have the right to stick your beak into a trans persons healthcare that's no surprise I suppose.
Also is there a reason why you keep selectively quoting sentences from my posts so you can remove the context? You could always respond to the entire question Y'know.

I may have lost track of the thread with so many replies, but just to check - "Well it is a leap if you're just assuming that they're not also formula feeding their child".. is this still referring to men taking drugs to allow them to to feed babies from their male nipples? Because the tone of your reply seems like you're telling off some sticky beak for getting involved in other people's personal medical care.

Of course I don’t expect physicians to take any notice of my posts on a forum. I do expect physicians to follow GMC ethical guidelines on off label prescribing and evidence based medicine. I don’t expect you to understand the difference.

Everyone can have an opinion about everything. You're not a prescriber so again even with off label prescriptions the medical professional prescribing them won't (and shouldn't) be swayed by your opinion and hopefully that isn't what you're advocating.

you've not really thought about this, have you?

I am, however, entitled to have a professional opinion about off-label and off-protocol prescribing.

Well it is a leap if you're just assuming that they're not also formula feeding their child if they haven't produced a sufficient supply then. I wonder if you also assume all biological women with insufficient milk supply would also neglect to supplement their children's feeding too?

Of course you can and you're free to post it online as much as you wish to. If you feel your personal opinion should bear any weight in the actions of trained medical professional that's a different matter.

The evidence so far is that insufficient “milk” is produced so that’s not really a leap.

No, I am not a prescriber. That doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion.

As I said upthread, adoptive mothers in the UK do not induce lactation and breastfeed their adopted children. It does not happen, because adoption in the UK prioritises the child not the adults involved. Perhaps the males trying to induce lactation could do the same.

I have seen the extremely small scale studies (one individual in one I saw) on males using domperidone and other drugs, and not one of those I have seen has stated that the male produced enough 'milk' to sustain a baby. So I expect that is the insufficient feeding PP referenced.

And I agree with PP, there are other priorities for medical research than facilitating this, which is at best unnecessary and at worst the use of an unconsenting child in an adults fetish.

I think that was the point.

'prominent global right wing' just sounds like another version of 'funded by the Christian right' tbh. Women in the UK are focussing on the most pressing attacks on women's rights in the UK. That isn't much of a surprise.

A women who wants to drive a bus is not a man, and will struggle to drive a bus designed for someone of 6ft with long legs, big feet and superior upper body strength...but a vehicle designed for people of any body type is an adaptation that benefits women.

Adjustabke seats/steering wheels and power steering have been around for quite some time now.

Except when they're not.

The cass review showed that treatments can become established without a solid basis in peer reviewed research, especially when an ideology or profit motive has distorted the decision making.

And the cass review would never have been commissioned without ordinary people realising something was wrong and kicking up a stink to their elected politicians- democracy in action.

(Loving your scare quotes around democracy though. Very telling.)

Do we need a lot more research?

Formula is a perfectly safe and healthy way of feeding an infant.

I can think of bigger priorities for medical research than figuring out whether it can ever be safe for men to breastfeed.

Endometriosis and recurrent miscarriage are extremely under-researched, for example.

Probably because JKR is a British author living in Scotland, and she's choosing to focus on women's rights which are actually under threat in the UK, i.e. single sex spaces and sports, not abortion.

I know that but your post automatically assumes that people (whether that's trans, adoptive, or non birth parents) who induce lactation will definitely be insufficiently feeling their babies and therefore neglecting them which is a leap you didn't fill in?

We need a lot more research of course and then medical professionals to determine what is safe and ethical. Are you a prescribing physician?