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How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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needatalk · 11/05/2024 10:38

I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 13:44

I think you need to look up virtue signalling perhaps.

That's because you don't understand what it is. It's essentially the same concept as "slacktivism". That doesn't really apply here.

Underthinker · 16/05/2024 13:06

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 12:40

I think you need to look up virtue signalling perhaps.
I agree with you. I said it's a shame that attacks on women's rights don't get much platforming by big GC campaigners since they matter just as much.

And it's a shame the RSPCA don't focus more on disability rights, the RNIB hardly tweet about refugees, Rosa Parks barely made a dent in the Norwegian arson rate, and David Attenborough never made a single documentary about the sub prime mortgage market.

Perhaps different people have different priorities?

lifeturnsonadime · 16/05/2024 13:05

Lampy123678 · 12/05/2024 20:01

I know that but your post automatically assumes that people (whether that's trans, adoptive, or non birth parents) who induce lactation will definitely be insufficiently feeling their babies and therefore neglecting them which is a leap you didn't fill in?

We need a lot more research of course and then medical professionals to determine what is safe and ethical. Are you a prescribing physician?

Need research so that more males can act out their fetishes on un-consenting infants who would be perfectly adequately nourished on formula milk?

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 12:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:13

It's funny that you didn't have a clue about it though, it just shows the level of your knowledge @Lampy123678

I did actually (not sure why you think I didn't) and it's a great example of how she can use her wealth and privilege where she wants to.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 12:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:20

Virtue signalling would be for eg boasting about how much you do for charity. She is challenging people, not signalling. There's no "guising" involved. Women's rights matter as much as "trans rights".

I think you need to look up virtue signalling perhaps.
I agree with you. I said it's a shame that attacks on women's rights don't get much platforming by big GC campaigners since they matter just as much.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:20

Virtue signalling would be for eg boasting about how much you do for charity. She is challenging people, not signalling. There's no "guising" involved. Women's rights matter as much as "trans rights".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:18

Not really. She's not signalling to people. It reflects her concerns and feelings. But nice try.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 12:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:02

Who cares how many tweets it got? She's not a virtue signaller.

I'd say her obsessive amount of tweets about trans people guised as concern for women is the definition of virtue signalling.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:13

It's funny that you didn't have a clue about it though, it just shows the level of your knowledge @Lampy123678

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 12:02

Who cares how many tweets it got? She's not a virtue signaller.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 12:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 11:52

Again I'm not solely judging her by who quotes her. I'm judging her by what feminist issues she thinks are deserving of her time which by the looks of it is very little bar women's bathrooms.

That's complete nonsense. She was instrumental in getting a group of female lawyers out of Afghanistan. She is the founder of a children's charity and a rape crisis centre.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-helped-afghan-lawyers-flee-the-taliban/#:~:text=He%20said%3A%20%E2%80%9CSome%20500%20people,%2C%20undoubtedly%20saved%20many%20lives.%E2%80%9D

How many tweets did that get?

SinnerBoy · 16/05/2024 11:55

Yes, just more from the Ladybird Book of TRA Twaddle.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 11:52

Again I'm not solely judging her by who quotes her. I'm judging her by what feminist issues she thinks are deserving of her time which by the looks of it is very little bar women's bathrooms.

That's complete nonsense. She was instrumental in getting a group of female lawyers out of Afghanistan. She is the founder of a children's charity and a rape crisis centre.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-helped-afghan-lawyers-flee-the-taliban/#:~:text=He%20said%3A%20%E2%80%9CSome%20500%20people,%2C%20undoubtedly%20saved%20many%20lives.%E2%80%9D

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:46

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 11:18

I think you know that I was suggesting that if you are so very keen to judge JKR and other feminists by who quotes them, likes their tweets etc, maybe you should have a look at some of the transpeople you are - what was your phrase ? - cosying up to.

I don't know how you can pretend to care about women, and think that the people on the pic I posted or those quoted on the terfisaslur website should be seen as women or allowed into women's spaces.

But you do you I suppose.

Which trans people am I cosying up to can I ask? I provided the information the groups and people I was referencing in my posts so I'd love of you would do the same. You're making a lot of assumptions about me without knowing anything about me in order to not talk about the people there is public information about, no?
Again I'm not solely judging her by who quotes her. I'm judging her by what feminist issues she thinks are deserving of her time which by the looks of it is very little bar women's bathrooms.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:43

Underthinker · 16/05/2024 11:24

I am quoting you to argue against the thing in that quote, not something that you may have said several pages ago. Specifically to your quote...

"You're welcome to believe that but again you're choosing to ignore the question of if you also disagree with biological women using chemicals to induce lactation?"

I am saying that you are very wrong if you think the following three situations are all ethically equivalent..

1 women taking medication to allow them to feed their own infants
2 women taking medication to allow them to feed other people's infants
3 men taking medication to allow them to feed infants

Whether the medication is safe or not is indeed a matter for medical research. Whether the practice is ethical or not is a question for everyone.

It's a matter for their own personal opinions, yes. Which is why I said you're welcome to. If you believe your personal opinion on the ethics of something should be imposed on others then you need to defend how that is carried out without justifying people imposing their ethical opinions on women's rights on women. There's GC feminists who are ethically opposed to abortion and they are entitled to think that but I'd hope you wouldn't agree that their personal ethical opinion should be reflected in law.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:40

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 11:14

It's fairly obvious in just a glance at her replies that many people tweeting her support are right wing.

And? People are able to agree on some stuff and not on other stuff. That's normal.

her focus may be a little obsessed with denying the existence of trans people

When did she deny the existence of transpeople? I've seen her saying she knows and loves transpeople and wants them to be safe, I've not seen her denying they exist.

I didn't say they couldn't however my first initial post was sprung on because I suggested that a lot of GCs views have more support from ring wingers than not.

Yeah she made that comment a while ago. The mask has long since come off on that. If she did she wouldn't pick up small accounts from regular trans people and quote tweet them to be attacked by her followers which include a lot of right wing misogynistic men ironically.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 11:33

When did she deny the existence of transpeople? I've seen her saying she knows and loves transpeople and wants them to be safe, I've not seen her denying they exist.

She didn't, but this poster is posting from the Big Book of Hyperbolic TRA Talking Points. Not believing males are literally women equals "denying their existence".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 11:31

Sorry meant to quote you MissScarlett

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 11:29

Why have you suddenly pivoted to talking about "trans men" when "trans women" are the problem?

I think it's very clear why @MissScarletInTheBallroom Grin useful to highlight it though. Talking about the actual issue is just so boooring apparently.

Underthinker · 16/05/2024 11:24

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:08

So if you don't know if you agree with it or not what are you quoting me to argue?

I am quoting you to argue against the thing in that quote, not something that you may have said several pages ago. Specifically to your quote...

"You're welcome to believe that but again you're choosing to ignore the question of if you also disagree with biological women using chemicals to induce lactation?"

I am saying that you are very wrong if you think the following three situations are all ethically equivalent..

1 women taking medication to allow them to feed their own infants
2 women taking medication to allow them to feed other people's infants
3 men taking medication to allow them to feed infants

Whether the medication is safe or not is indeed a matter for medical research. Whether the practice is ethical or not is a question for everyone.

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 11:18

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:10

I'm not sure why you think the existence of other sexual predators that aren't JKs friends makes it any better that she mingles with rapists and women beaters but you do you I suppose

I think you know that I was suggesting that if you are so very keen to judge JKR and other feminists by who quotes them, likes their tweets etc, maybe you should have a look at some of the transpeople you are - what was your phrase ? - cosying up to.

I don't know how you can pretend to care about women, and think that the people on the pic I posted or those quoted on the terfisaslur website should be seen as women or allowed into women's spaces.

But you do you I suppose.

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 11:14

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:07

No I just don't think every accusation that she is using her platform to attract abuse towards people should be defended as being done in defense of her staunch principals of women's rights when she's pretty flakey on defending women. It's also quite literally not every harm mentioned in my post is it ? I'm asking specifically about survivors or sexual assault and abuse and women's rights to abortion
Two major real world issues for women. I proposed she doesn't wade into them because she is aware that a lot of the online support her tweets get is from groups who are misogynistic actually. It's fairly obvious in just a glance at her replies that many people tweeting her support are right wing. You're welcome to offer an alternative reason ? No one has yet except "she can't tweet about everything"..well duh. But she literally tweets about one thing all the time and when people suggest that her focus may be a little obsessed with denying the existence of trans people it's defended as being pro women's rights. Hence the circular argument.

It's fairly obvious in just a glance at her replies that many people tweeting her support are right wing.

And? People are able to agree on some stuff and not on other stuff. That's normal.

her focus may be a little obsessed with denying the existence of trans people

When did she deny the existence of transpeople? I've seen her saying she knows and loves transpeople and wants them to be safe, I've not seen her denying they exist.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:10

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 10:34

I think if you have multiple friends accused of physical and sexual abuse, you should look at who you associate with particularly if women's safety is a passion of yours.

Couldn't agree more

https://terfisaslur.com/

And since you seem to be very keen to drag America into a discussion on a UK forum:

I'm not sure why you think the existence of other sexual predators that aren't JKs friends makes it any better that she mingles with rapists and women beaters but you do you I suppose

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:08

Underthinker · 16/05/2024 10:34

@Lampy123678
Incoming selective quote sorry (not sorry).

"Perhaps if you didn't keep selectively quoting my posts you wouldn't miss that I clearly asked for thoughts on biological women who are not birth parents. And again is your issue with the chemicals or not please?"

If you clearly asked this it wasn't in the post I was replying to. I was responding to your question about "biological women using chemicals to induce lactation" if you had meant "biological women who are not birth parents using chemicals to induce lactation" it would have been a different question.

I have never heard the arguments in favour of using medication to help women feed other people's babies. Whether or not I'd agree with that practice, I'm sure such arguments have 100 times more merit than the idea of men chemically inducing lactation to feed babies.

Edited

So if you don't know if you agree with it or not what are you quoting me to argue?

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:07

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 10:28

@Lampy123678 you appear to be so obsessed that JKR isn't tweeting about every harm done to women all over the world and that if she doesn't, she somehow doesn't care about those harms.

Or if she doesn't tweet against any tweet made by right wing nuts then she is in agreement?

Why is all this her responsibility? She has got a few books to write you know...

No I just don't think every accusation that she is using her platform to attract abuse towards people should be defended as being done in defense of her staunch principals of women's rights when she's pretty flakey on defending women. It's also quite literally not every harm mentioned in my post is it ? I'm asking specifically about survivors or sexual assault and abuse and women's rights to abortion
Two major real world issues for women. I proposed she doesn't wade into them because she is aware that a lot of the online support her tweets get is from groups who are misogynistic actually. It's fairly obvious in just a glance at her replies that many people tweeting her support are right wing. You're welcome to offer an alternative reason ? No one has yet except "she can't tweet about everything"..well duh. But she literally tweets about one thing all the time and when people suggest that her focus may be a little obsessed with denying the existence of trans people it's defended as being pro women's rights. Hence the circular argument.

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