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How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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needatalk · 11/05/2024 10:38

I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 16:47

I agree with your assessment @ThreeWordHarpy

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 16:43

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 15:35

No no please go back and read my posts I have stated several times you and another person believing X doesn't mean anything. Literally verbatim. When you and person both believe X and that person also is a danger to women and their rights and you welcome the support of that person that's where I take issue.

And how has 'welcoming the support of that person' manifested itself? All I've seen you saying is that JKR/ other feminists are boosting/ validating/ cosying up to people you disapprove of, purely by being quoted by those people.

Unless I missed a load of times that JKR tweeted that she's a big fan of Donald Trump or something?

I believe that TRAs are a danger to women and their rights. Do you?

FrippEnos · 16/05/2024 16:43

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 16:31

So to be clear you're standing up for people who literally also post about white supremacy as long as they are "protecting children"?
But I thought my perception that a lot of GC people cosy up to right wingers out of my arse 🤔

I see that you have missed the use of quotation marks, or do not understand that it refers to your definitions of these people.

But then you are happy to support people that are not only infringing on the rights of women and children. but physically and mentally abuse them.

Also I didn't use the term "white supremacy" so thanks for making stuff up.

But then this isn't a new step for those that believe in gender identity.

ThreeWordHarpy · 16/05/2024 16:38

Late to the thread. It appears that we have an OP with some vague, ill defined concerns that sets up @Lampy123678 to effectively spam swamp the thread. They appear to be not based in the UK (as shown by their posting times, their reference to evening during the UK morning) and their lack of understanding of the nuances of UK law and culture. Is it half term elsewhere in the English speaking world?

Sloejelly · 16/05/2024 16:37

OP feminists on MN are pushing against the stereotypes that say women must have long hair, wear makeup or revealing clothing, and only do certain occupations. There is nothing about engineering, space, short hair, no makeup or jeans and t-shirt that stops them being for girls. It is the push of the ‘LGBT’ movement that says we must conform to stereotypes - that if you are a girl who prefers short hair and football then you must really be a boy. Or that if you don’t like such stereotypes then that is not because the stereotypes are just that and girls are free to like climbing trees, and boys to dress up as fairies, but because they are ‘non-binary’.

None of that gender crap changes the fact that we are two sexes and we cannot change sex. That men commit 98% of sexual assaults and 88% of victims are women. That only women get pregnant. That women have a disadvantage at sports which means without a separate category we would have no sport. That women get different cancers and need different medication doses. That our heart attack symptoms are different and seat belts designed for men are not safe for women.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 16:34

SinnerBoy · 16/05/2024 16:19

... the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite?

I suspect a trip to Planet Earth is in order.

Nah just click on any random profile kissing JKs arse

How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.
How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.
Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 16:31

FrippEnos · 16/05/2024 16:22

I find it very interesting that those "right wing" "racist" people that you are spouting on about are also the ones not only protecting the children, but are the ones willing to have an open discussion about this without resorting to violence, name calling, throwing abuse or trying to cancel the other side.

So to be clear you're standing up for people who literally also post about white supremacy as long as they are "protecting children"?
But I thought my perception that a lot of GC people cosy up to right wingers out of my arse 🤔

FrippEnos · 16/05/2024 16:22

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 15:42

You mean except the numerous right wing governments and political parties that support it in relation to left wing or liberal governments? Or that the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite? Or that when you really get into it with half of the GC posters on here they reveal their right wing political opinions on other issues? That's what my opinion is based on. Happy for you to prove me wrong if you are actually suggesting that it's a more popular belief amongst left wing or liberal people?

I find it very interesting that those "right wing" "racist" people that you are spouting on about are also the ones not only protecting the children, but are the ones willing to have an open discussion about this without resorting to violence, name calling, throwing abuse or trying to cancel the other side.

SinnerBoy · 16/05/2024 16:19

... the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite?

I suspect a trip to Planet Earth is in order.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 16:07

There are no non-disingenuous TRA talking points.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 16:06

I've never met a genderist who could give me any reason to change my view as to why I should welcome some males into women's spaces that wasn't essentially "because they really want to be considered women". Doesn't work for me I'm afraid. We're not dealing with a rational belief system here.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 15:42

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 15:23

a lot of GCs views have more support from ring wingers than not.

Have you got any receipts for that, or is it just your opinion?

Yeah she made that comment a while ago.

So JKR said transpeople don't exist. A while ago. Presumably it'd be easy to find evidence for that assertion, since you're stating it as fact you must have evidence right?

You mean except the numerous right wing governments and political parties that support it in relation to left wing or liberal governments? Or that the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite? Or that when you really get into it with half of the GC posters on here they reveal their right wing political opinions on other issues? That's what my opinion is based on. Happy for you to prove me wrong if you are actually suggesting that it's a more popular belief amongst left wing or liberal people?

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 15:35

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 15:31

Well it was you who has stated throughout the thread that a person should be judged by the actions and beliefs of other people who believe one thing that they also believe. You clearly believe that transpeople should be treated as if they have become the sex they identify as. So do all of these people.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Therefore, by your logic, you should be judged by the views and actions of these people. That's fair.

I'm judging her by what feminist issues she thinks are deserving of her time which by the looks of it is very little bar women's bathrooms.

Did you miss the part where she funds a whole rape crisis service for women?

No no please go back and read my posts I have stated several times you and another person believing X doesn't mean anything. Literally verbatim. When you and person both believe X and that person also is a danger to women and their rights and you welcome the support of that person that's where I take issue.

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 15:31

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:46

Which trans people am I cosying up to can I ask? I provided the information the groups and people I was referencing in my posts so I'd love of you would do the same. You're making a lot of assumptions about me without knowing anything about me in order to not talk about the people there is public information about, no?
Again I'm not solely judging her by who quotes her. I'm judging her by what feminist issues she thinks are deserving of her time which by the looks of it is very little bar women's bathrooms.

Well it was you who has stated throughout the thread that a person should be judged by the actions and beliefs of other people who believe one thing that they also believe. You clearly believe that transpeople should be treated as if they have become the sex they identify as. So do all of these people.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Therefore, by your logic, you should be judged by the views and actions of these people. That's fair.

I'm judging her by what feminist issues she thinks are deserving of her time which by the looks of it is very little bar women's bathrooms.

Did you miss the part where she funds a whole rape crisis service for women?

TERF is a slur

Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

https://terfisaslur.com

nothingcomestonothing · 16/05/2024 15:23

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 11:40

I didn't say they couldn't however my first initial post was sprung on because I suggested that a lot of GCs views have more support from ring wingers than not.

Yeah she made that comment a while ago. The mask has long since come off on that. If she did she wouldn't pick up small accounts from regular trans people and quote tweet them to be attacked by her followers which include a lot of right wing misogynistic men ironically.

a lot of GCs views have more support from ring wingers than not.

Have you got any receipts for that, or is it just your opinion?

Yeah she made that comment a while ago.

So JKR said transpeople don't exist. A while ago. Presumably it'd be easy to find evidence for that assertion, since you're stating it as fact you must have evidence right?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/05/2024 15:16

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 15:01

Yeah but she also schmoozes with men who have decades of SA and rape allegations. Both can be true. I just don't consider her some sort of feminist icon as you do, sorry.

Who would you consider a Feminist icon out of interest?

Hoppinggreen · 16/05/2024 15:06

Mybe I am being a bit dim but I don't really understand why homosexuality being legal and not believing people can change sex means your daughter can't be an astronaut

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 15:02

Yeah but she also schmoozes with men who have decades of SA and rape allegations. Both can be true. I just don't consider her some sort of feminist icon as you do, sorry.

If you say so.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 15:01

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 14:58

And I think she's disingenuous because her claims to care about women being assaulted doesn't reflect her actions.

Using her own money to set up a rape crisis centre solely for women (the ones with vaginas btw). What an uncaring bitch! She should really care more about women being assaulted and do something about it.

Yeah but she also schmoozes with men who have decades of SA and rape allegations. Both can be true. I just don't consider her some sort of feminist icon as you do, sorry.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/05/2024 14:58

And I think she's disingenuous because her claims to care about women being assaulted doesn't reflect her actions.

Using her own money to set up a rape crisis centre solely for women (the ones with vaginas btw). What an uncaring bitch! She should really care more about women being assaulted and do something about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 14:55

That's fine, we're all allowed an opinion.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 14:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 14:50

She's not expressing anything disingenuously, it's what she believes, and I share that belief. You subscribe to an ideology which sees it differently.

And I think she's disingenuous because her claims to care about women being assaulted doesn't reflect her actions. You seem determined to change what I think without providing any defense for her numerous abusive friends.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 14:52

You were the one who told me to look up "virtue signalling" when it's you who is using it as a buzzword you don't really understand.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 14:50

She's not expressing anything disingenuously, it's what she believes, and I share that belief. You subscribe to an ideology which sees it differently.

Lampy123678 · 16/05/2024 13:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2024 13:44

I think you need to look up virtue signalling perhaps.

That's because you don't understand what it is. It's essentially the same concept as "slacktivism". That doesn't really apply here.

Lol - It means expressing a moral viewpoint disingenuously so yes I believe it's virtue signalling coming from her. Unless you're going to tell me I'm not entitled to think that, is there anything else you want?

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