How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

If you think that the venn diagram of people who support English Nationalism and people who believe in white supremacy isn't a circle, I don't know what on earth you think their major ideological differences are.

You know not all white people are English? English nationalists weren’t awfully keen on polish immigrants either.

Sigh. You appear to have no understanding of UK politics, UK culture, or GC feminism, and trying to talk to you is like trying to talk to a pound shop Grace Lavery.

I'm sure you think you're making great headway here, but you're just providing lurkers with an example of the kind of bad faith whataboutery feminists get thrown at them all the time. So, well done you.

I without a doubt reject racism and I don't think it has any place in feminism or the fight for women's equality.. Do you?

On this we agree, but then I don't know any racists that support feminism and women's rights.
I do know of some racists that have GC views but that doesn't mean that they support feminism.

However I do know of at least one leftist party leader and several trade unions. that support GI and are therefore against women's rights.

It is also amusing that you equate right wing to white supremacy and then talk about Venn diagrams in non ironic manner.

Sorry but I am and I do!
If you think that the venn diagram of people who support English Nationalism and people who believe in white supremacy isn't a circle, I don't know what on earth you think their major ideological differences are. If you're going to suggest the UK has never even a had history of people believing white supremacy I'd say it's you who knows nothing about the UK. It's a very bold statement to say that the belief of white supremacy is "not a thing here" considering the increasing threat of the far right. If someone calls them self a neonazi racial supremacists do you think that race isn't white? 😂

Except you were literally responding to a comment about them to stick up for them. I asked you if I misread you, you didn't say no, I've asked you to clarify you do not support the inclusion of racists or white supremacists in the GC movement and you won't. Is there a reason why you're dodging the question? Especially in a thread where so many posters insist no one is avoiding calling out the support of racists or Nazis or religious fanatics it's odd that no one is happy to do it when asked.

I without a doubt reject racism and I don't think it has any place in feminism or the fight for women's equality.. Do you?

Moreover our mainstream ‘right wing’ - the Conservatives- sit to the left of the American Democrats politically.

Except that you keep bringing white supremacists in to it.
I am not.

I don't see anyone on here supporting white supremacists.

Or are you suggesting that people should try and control the beliefs of others which again is what your lefties and liberals are trying to do.

It is blatant obvious that Lampy is not from the uk and knows nothing of uk politics. White supremists is not a thing here, the closest would by English Nationalist.

Except for the ones that literally are white supremacists racists though. And you chose that to respond to with "at least they're sticking up for kids".
So do you support the inclusion of them in your movement or not? Considering the amount of posters who keep insisting no one GC is refusing to oppose the support of the far right, very few on here are willing to do it themselves.

No I was talking globally about the rise of right wing and far right governments and how their attacks on LGBT rights and women's rights have gone hand in hand. I was also talking about the prominence of gender critical members of parliament either also supporting antichoice policies or watering down legislation to protect women from religious zealots.

I'm surprised you don't care about women's rights in any country but your own. Does that go for their rights to not share a bathroom too?do you only care about British womens sports being single sex? I'd have thought women's rights is something we should be fighting for globally no? I'd think a country and like the US increasingly rolling back access to abortion should concern British women who don't yet have the right to an abortion enshrined in law either but don't care all you want.

Are you really suggesting there's no Tory MPs lobbying to restrict abortion access? 🫠 Are you next gonna tell me that the majority of Tories are supportive of decriminalising abortion as well?

Can you answer my question of if you think that gender critical views have more support from left liberal wing governments or not?

I am so confused by this post I'm not sure where (or if) to start with it.

By 'right wing parties' do you mean the extremely mainstream Conservative party? Because I hate to break it to you, but they are really not some kind of fringe extreme group, they're the current government. So some GC people supporting the Tories or voting Tory is really not very outlandish, is it? There are also both MN posters and prominent feminists who are vocal supporters of the Labour party, of you hadn't noticed. Are they all right wingers too?

The MAGA stuff goes straight over my head, it's not my circus not my country. I don't know why you think it's relevant here. Same with Trump, I don't know why you think JKR would be vocal about Trump, America isn't the world, JKR isn't American and doesn't live there.

why of all the attacks on women that these prominent GC feminists highlight it's never the ones coming from the right wing? Are you meaning in the UK? What attacks are you talking about?

if you keep ignoring the religious rights attacks on women and voting for right wing antichoice governments because of your stance on genders you endanger womens rights.

What religious right attacks and right wing anti choice governments do we have in the UK? We have a few fringe anti choice religious groups with no political power, and a government with no stated plans to restrict choice so what are you on about?

I'll reiterate my point again- TRAs are a danger both to women and to women's rights. They are endangering women. Not JKR.

Well that's just not true though is it? Has Mogg kept his religious opinions schtum? Miriam Cate? Do they not lobby for legislation that supports their religious beliefs? Have Tory moderates not talked about their fear the party will lurch further right?

I'm not sure why you're explaining to me the political situation of the UK as though I'm not aware of it? I'm British and I keep up with the news. People have been less safe,less healthy, less prosperous and less educated in the 13 years that the Tories have been decimating the UK with austerity. It's hit women particularly hard. Encouraging people to vote for a party that literally harms them solely because they expose GC views is dangerous to women.

I think you'll find I've asked several posters on this thread why they think differently ! I'm not getting many answers though just arguing that I'm wrong for thinking what I think and then you chipping in to basically suggest I should stop replying to people? Maybe take your own advice?

I said that right wing people were standing up for the rights of women and children. you are the one that has called them racist and white supremacists.

You have repeatedly posted "right wing" with no mention of "some" or "many" yet are happy to try and twist other people's words to match your agenda.

Where did I say that all right wing people are racist? I did refer to right wing racist people, but I don't remember saying everyone who so right wing is racist. However I don't remember when anti racism has been a tenet of any right wing group though!

You lumped them and defended it and still haven't retracted that though have you? You said racist people were standing up for children like it was a good thing.

Of course there's gonna be a trans racists out there. Just look at Caitlyn Jenner 😂 however if you're trying to suggest it would be as common then you sound like you've just landed on earth and you have no historical context of religion, heteronormative ideals, race and the right wing.

I don’t care about MAGA, I don’t care about Trump. If JKR tweeted about either she’d be told to keep her nose out of other democratic countries business. We have enough issues of our own to worry about in the UK. We don’t have a serious problem with the religious right wing in the UK like the USA does. Voters like their politicians to keep schtum about their faith - fine to have one, fine to be an active member of your faith community, but leave it at the door when you enter your office.

Having said that, we’ve had a right wing government for over thirteen years in the UK. Because lots of people have voted for right wing MPs. It’s a mainstream political position in the UK. It’s not a position i agree with, but I don’t believe half the adult population are evil or Nazis because they vote Tory. I believe the vast majority of my fellow citizens want the same thing I do for this country (eg safe, fair, healthy, educated, prosperous), however we seem disagree on how to achieve it. It starts though by listening honestly to what other people say and ask them why they say it. Something you don’t appear to be doing at all.

If I say GC views are.popular amongst right wing groups and political parties and you ask why I think that, when I give the reason why then the "it" is obviously in reference to GC views aka the thing you were asking about. It's weird that since you have the quote history right there that you keep getting so confused of what you're asking me about. It's almost like you just don't want to respond to my point in which case you can just not reply?

Except for the multiple threads of GC feminists encouraging everyone to vote Tory? Or the multiple posters in this thread who themselves won't say that they disagree with the support of right wing groups boosting the GC movement? Perhaps if you disagree you could actually even suggest you think the opposite to what I'm saying but it doesn't seem you believe that either. Do you believe the majority of gender critical people are left wing or liberal?

My opinion is based on the evidence I'm seeing, yes.

Could you tell me what polls you're referring to? As far as I'm aware nearly half of people polled think that prejudice against trans people is a major problem and it's a minority that think people shouldn't be allowed to change their gender. The responses about toilets was only ever so slightly more people opposing than agreeing but only by a couple percentage points . Can I have the majority of people supporting it stats? There's also huge % who also just don't give a crap about any of it.

Do you want to clarify that you mean that all right wing people are racist and white supremacists?

As this seems to be that you have been saying.

Are you also saying that there are no racists or white supremacists in the GI movement?

If you are lumping all these people in together then everyone in the GI movement must also be misogynist, abusers that like to identify as women as a fetish.

Lampy123678 · Today 16:34

Nah just click on any random profile kissing JKs arse

And? I've replied to loads of her posts and I'm not a racist. I've also had oddballs post replies on mine. You do know how Twatter works, don't you? She gets many, many more replies than me - do you think she checks every one? Some of them get thousands of responses.

Unless you're suggesting that there are no racist people who hold GC views (lol) your post definitely read as though at least those people are brave enough to be "protecting children". Your reply is very unclear. Do you want to clarify that you absolutely don't support white supremacists or racists being apart of the GC movement or what?

Nope. Not purely by being quoted by them. Don't cherry pick one example. Perhaps you wanna reread my posts where I talked about GC campaigners who literally have the support of Nazis at their meetups, GC feminists who have written publicly about voting for right wing parties because of their support for GC feminists . I'm sure they see the screen names of their little twitter friends swamped with MAGA for example as well (that's ignoring that someone with an account of her wise definitely is aware of the analytics of her followers and engagement as well) You still keep avoiding my question of why of all the attacks on women that these prominent GC feminists highlight it's never the ones coming from the right wing? And why? I've told you why I think it is and I was really interested to hear your answer.

No she was very noticeably silent on Trump though ever since she started publicly tweeting her GC views though. Maybe it was those analytics?

I'll reiterate my point again that regardless of what you think about trans people or TRAs if you keep ignoring the religious rights attacks on women and voting for right wing antichoice governments because of your stance on genders you endanger womens rights.

By swamping the thread do you mean responding to people who keep quoting me to begin a discussion or to interject in a discussion where the other poster has gone crickets? Numerous posters keep quoting me to engage in an arguement about what I've posted but *I'm the one swamping the post?🤔

I'm genuinely happy to stop talking to all of you 😂 but I believe I was sternly told off earlier in the post for not responding to people quick enough let alone not responding at all.

I'd love to know what laws you think I don't understand the nuance off!

You just can’t get the quality bots posters with different opinions these days.

You mean except the numerous right wing governments and political parties that support it in relation to left wing or liberal governments?

What 'it' are you talking about there?

Or that the majority of the GC twitter bubbles profiles are also spouting racist white replacement shite?

Have you any evidence that the majority do that, or is it just you opinion?

half of the GC posters on here they reveal their right wing political opinions on other issues?

Half of them? Again, any evidence?

That's what my opinion is based on.

So your opinion is based on your opinion?

Happy for you to prove me wrong

There's nothing to disprove, if you're going on opinion not evidence

if you are actually suggesting that it's a more popular belief amongst left wing or liberal people?

Again, what 'it' are you talking about? That men aren't women? That women exist as a distinct sex class? That women sometimes need single sex provision for fairness, dignity and privacy reasons? I think according to polling, those beliefs are shared by the majority of the population, so therefore will be held by people of all party political allegiances and none. Believing in reality does tend to enjoy cross party support.

There is no reason to suppose that "Jason Green" sees himself as a gender critical feminist.

Nah just click on any random profile kissing JKs arse

We're back to, "Hitler agrees with you that the sky is blue, not green".