How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

But that's not the logic I've applied at all is it? That's your logic. You're anti LGBT rights and (in your head) pro womens' rights, so you believe any one who supports LGBT people would be anti women and celebrate a Draconian abortion law? I support LGBT and women's rights. I couldn't celebrate any MP or campaigner who supports women's rights but is homophobic for example and I wouldn't welcome them into any feminist space. This whole thread has been people defending your GC movement including and platforming people who are anti women's rights because they are also anti trans. Some of you keep trying to act like it's a coincidence they have something in common but that doesn't really fly when it's not a small % and you also say nothing to distance yourselves from them and then you platform them even when they have Nazis at their rallies 🤷🏻‍♀️ If you insist so much that the racist, bigoted, anti choice people don't represent the GC movement you still can't provide any examples of them a, being called out or b, your champions of women calling out the threat they pose to women.

Did you not fancy finishing defending JKs women beating/ rapists mates?

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

It's been me all along I haven't gone anywhere. Care to clarify your no doubt searingly insightful point, as I requested?

In what sense?

Well you love lumping all trans people in together no?

You're a prime example of the middle aged blokes in the GC movement tbh. I think it's a bit hypocritical that you're against men inserting themselves in women's spaces while you regularly post on the feminist board as if women need your input. Don't you have anything better to do?

You can't just lump everyone who knows what biological sex is and doesn't share your bizarre belief system into one big group, set against your fringe belief. Well not if you're trying to make any kind of good faith argument, anyway.

Except for the 5 or 6 recent tables amendments to curtail it.

Thanks for showing you do actually support conversion therapy 👍🏻 and no those stats were for LGB and it was 8% for trans but yeah probably just people caring about them.

I used to think you guys were just pulling stuff out of your arse but actually I think you just read each others bull💩 and don't apply even a second of critical thinking to it and just repeat it cos you like the sound of it.
Go on and show everyone your data that the majority of people holding gender critical views are left wing women please. It sounds groundbreaking.

No actually my assertation was that political parties and groups that want to curtail the rights of LGBT people also want to curtail women's rights and that we see this play out globally. And when you vote for and supporting these parties because you want to curtail the rights of LGBT people you're inevitably voting to erode women's rights.

Genuine question - do you just do a brief Google of "where is abortion illegal TRANS"? Because you're quick to throw out countries where you clearly know nothing about their political landscape. Yes Brazil has self ID and there's also a massive political for decriminalising abortion. They had a non binding supreme court ruling and the outcome of a binding vote is still awaited. And Pakistan doesn't even have self ID anymore? It's almost like you don't actually care to keep up to date with politics or human rights which would be fine if you weren't part of perpetuating the Tory culture war.

I don't align with Malta at all and I'm not sure why you think I would? I've been quite consistent that I support legal protects and rights for women and LGBT people.

But Lampy as you are pro-LBGT+ like countries like Malta or Brazil that is evidence that you must align with their anti-abortion policies. We know this is true because it applies the same logic you have consistently applied on this thread.

I'm getting a bit sick of people mischaracterising gender critical feminism to score points.

British women have the best access to abortion anywhere in Europe and I don't think any plans to change that are going to get off the ground. Honestly I think you are just spouting American talking points from a country whose laws and customs could not be less relevant to ours.

LGBT is a meaningless label. I'd like to know how many LGB people are being pushed into conversion therapy in this day and age, or whether that 5% you are quoting is made up exclusively of T people whose families have suggested, not unreasonably, that maybe they should get some therapy instead of chopping body parts off to fix a mental health problem.

As for your claim that the gender critical movement is mostly old men, that's ludicrous. It's mostly left wing women, many of them lesbians.

Perhaps you're the one who needs to listen to what most women want, because most of them don't want men in their single sex spaces.

Yes let's talk about one country that's a notable paradox

It's not just one country though is it?

Your assertion is that countries with good records on LGBT rights also have good records on women's rights.

That might be true for LGB but I don't think it holds for trans-specific rights.

Brazil has self ID for trans people but abortion is illegal. Pakistan and India both have self ID yet still struggle with rape and honour killings. New Zealand has self ID and the highest rate of domestic violence in the developed nations.

It's all gone a bit Tooting Popular Front here.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom but you don't even support the current access to abortion we have? I'm sure none of these people lobbying to reduce access to abortion count as an anti abortion lobby to you.
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3511/stages/18470/amendments/10014840
And the 5%.of LGBT people offered conversion therapy are just making it up I suppose.

I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about the threats to women and gay people coming from a movement which is largely supported by older right wing men. Maybe if you care you would listen to what the majority of women and gay people support and what they feel is threatening them. But then you'd have to care instead of using them as a shield for your prejudice.

Duh 😂 it's almost like you don't know that White Supremacy has always placed restrictions decides who's really white. The lack of any social political history on here is staggering that it would be funny if you weren't naively on forums and twitter buddying up with those sorts of people.

Yes let's talk about one country that's a notable paradox - that's an excellent way to talk about the global relationship between right wing religious politics and LGBT and women's rights! It's not like it's kind of off topic since this a country where both were discriminated against and one was been granted protections instead of countries were both are being attacked recently but e don't need to talk about Hungary or Poland or Bulgaria or the US or Italy etc etc etc. It's fantastic they've improved their LGBT equality laws (disappointingly recently but still) but they need get rid of their archaic abortion laws (and ours are even older btw I'm sure you knew that)

I don't align with Malta at all and I'm not sure why you think I would? I've been quite consistent that I support legal protects and rights for women and LGBT people. The point several haven't answered here is if they would be happy with the reversed situation though.
Also -the last thing I want to do is sound like I'm defending their barbaric abortion laws but please don't read spread more misinformation. It's terrible another that they only allow it in circumstances where there is a risk to life without you pretending otherwise. It's a discredit to the people who fought for and achieved that change only last year.

For the posters who didn't understand abortion is criminalised in the UK, and also act as though the UK has never had an issue with abortions, it's just a funny coincidence that it was added to Maltas criminal code while it was British Colony.

Lampy you were going to tell us how great Malta are and how LBGT+ support for women is reflected in their abortion policies…

The signal to noise ratio on all that was...yeah.

I think the multiple posters who have tried to steer the conversation about women's rights into bathrooms,sports and testosterone have been a fantastic example of whataboutery actually. Then there was the "I wouldn't even know who you're referring to ?!" confusion about who is cosying up to the right wing to "well actually even if there are nazi groups at someone's rallies it doesn't mean they're a nazi it just means they have things in common! If you have an issue with that you have a purity obsession🤪". Then of course the the suggestions from posters that there is no plan to restrict abortion access in the UK, that I just don't understand the UK and actually we don't really have publicly religious MPs (that was particularly funny!) and that we don't have a religious right wing lobbying to erode women's rights are a great example of the mental gymnastics some people will go through to explain why the people apparently fighting to protect women and girls in this country aren't actually doing much to raise awareness about anything endangering them unless it's posting about trans people. Oh and it doesn't matter if they use examples of criminal trans people in other countries because actually attacks on women and girls by trans people matter worldwide but otherwise infringements on the rights women and girls are actually none of our business!

Anyway, I'm sure it's just a huge coincidence that so many of the "I know what a woman is🤓" MPs are supporting yea another bill trying to chip away at access to abortion and I'm sure we'll definitely hear about it from those staunch defenders of women's rights on their massive platforms 👍🏻
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3511/stages/18470/amendments/10014840

And it's fundamentally anti-woman, bearing in mind that the US is a country where feminism has failed and women lack basic rights that they take for granted almost everywhere else in the developed world.

One example says it all. The Equal Rights Amendment is a Constitutional amendment which would make sex discrimination illegal across the whole country. It was introduced in 1972 and there are still a handful of states that have not yet ratified it, despite campaigns to do so. It wouldn’t become law until all states agree, and I think that has to happen within so many years anyway so it’s timed out. And when I looked it up to write this post to check I got the year right, I saw that some states that had previously ratified it then voted again to withdraw that ratification.

There was an excellent tv drama a couple of years ago called Mrs America that covered it all very well.

An outright ban with no exceptions even if the woman’s life is in danger.

WTF. 😳

There is no "globally" about it.

Gender identity theory is a batshit idea which has come from America.

America is a country which considers itself to be light years ahead of the rest of the world, but it isn't. It is a culture founded on individual rights rather than collective responsibility. A country where the healthcare system is run for profit and the rich can have any medical interventions they can pay for whilst the poor struggle to access even basic care. A country which cannot establish basic rights for its own citizens enshrined in federal law because the individual states have too much power, meaning that in some states you can terminate a healthy pregnancy at full term whilst in others you cannot get an abortion under any circumstances at all. A country in which your access to contraception may be dictated by the religious convictions of your employer but if you have an unwanted pregnancy that's on you, where there is almost no government support to help you to raise your children, where you get no paid maternity leave.

It is absolutely no coincidence that gender identity theory developed and took hold in a country where all of the above is true. It prioritises the identity of the individual over the rights of others. It's a cash cow for the for-profit healthcare sector. And it's fundamentally anti-woman, bearing in mind that the US is a country where feminism has failed and women lack basic rights that they take for granted almost everywhere else in the developed world.

To put it bluntly, we need to build a metaphorical wall around that batshit country and leave it alone to eat itself.

And then we need to work on protecting the rights of women, children and gay people in our OWN country. And yes, trans people too, but not at the expense of everyone else.

None of the things you are saying in your post apply to the UK. We don't actually have a significant anti abortion lobby in the UK, or people practising gay conversion therapy.

The biggest threat to women and gay people in the UK right now is gender identity theory.

Let’s have a look at the ILGA-Europe award winner as the most LBGT-friendly country - MALTA

What sort of abortion rights do their LBGT friendliness align with? zilch. An outright ban with no exceptions even if the woman’s life is in danger. That the sort of level of woman’s rights you are aligning with Lampy?