How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

Who critiquing what 'right wing parties actions against LGBTQ people and women'? What 'fave'? Itd be easier to have a discussion if you said who and what are you talking about.

I'd say seen as you're the one quoting me twice now without actually opposing any of my points that it's you doing that, no? Do you not have anything to actually counter what I said? No, because you don't have your examples of them critiquing the right wing parties and their actions against LGBT people and women do you? And you know your fave supports abusers as well. God some posters on here act how teenagers used to post on twitter a decade ago their "memes".

OP, maybe you should get involved with some of the feminist groups and discussions and actions happening right now in the UK. At least then you'd have a grasp of what's actually happening.

Have you got any receipts for that because I don't follow. Or are you just doing this?

@needatalk - "Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut "

You...what? Show me anywhere that it says women/girls have - or should have - no right to study any given subject? You're confusing "opportunities" with "rights".

The problem, at least in the last century (approximately, probably closer to 80 years), hasn't had anything to do with the rights to study anything, it's the social opportunity.

If anything, we may have overshot the target in our desire to correct the balance of opportunity. In my own field, I've come across lots of female developers who are - frankly - shit at the job, having been pushed into it by the "girls can code!" advertising mantra. The result is that most male devs arrived in this career because they love computers and making them do things they weren't designed for and will work tirelessly just to solve that one last problem that's bugging them, but it seems (anecdotally, and purely in my experience) that a worrying number of female devs are here because they were told they should like it and actually end up just phoning it in because they really, really don't. The more of those there are, the worse it gets for all women in tech.

That's not to say that women shouldn't be developers - after all, I'm one myself. But it's something they should be into because they actively want to, not because they were made to want to. I suppose it's the difference between "show" and "persuade"...it should be a free choice, not putting a finger on the scale to force it - that's no longer a free choice.

Its definitely attracting more people from one side of the spectrum though isn't it? Why do you think that is? What do you think about some prominent "gender critical" people who don't vocalise opposition to people who also don't believe in the rights or freedoms of women and LGB people? What about famous people who are "gender critical" and support known abusers of women? Do you think that's all good for women in the long run?

Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

Those bloody feminists eh? Always going around trying to stop girls from becoming astronauts and arguing that women, sorry 'females', should stay at home. They're always doing that stuff, aren't they?

Scientists will always believe in science. So nobody in that field will be dismissing the scientifically proven facts.

Cranks might dismiss science, but luckily for your daughter they won't be the ones employing her if she does indeed intend to follow that path.

Just be careful of shoehorning her. Almost every 8 year old in the world is interested in space and dreams of becoming an astronaut. Very few of them still dream of it by the time career choices come around.

Lots of people think gender ideology is dangerous nonsense, because it is.
When an idea is bad enough, its detractors will include people all across the political spectrum. Expressing objections isn't "cosying up" to anyone, and doesn't mean we share the diverse beliefs or political goals held by every person who also thinks men can't become women, the earth is round or that the pope is Catholic.

That's reminded me to email my MP again.

Yes I'm fully aware of that however the provision for abortions is still not adequate despite decriminalisation. And yes abortion needs to be decriminalised in the rest of the UK yet MPs are not doing this in spite of campaigns to do so. "In time" is not good enough. Hence why I think it's dangerous for the rights of women and girls for some women to be cosying up to right wing groups or voting for the Tories in their arguing for trans people to be denied bodily autonomy when they could be fighting for all women in the UK to have access to safe abortions.

In October 2019 abortion decriminalised and became lawful in Northern Ireland. A new framework for lawful abortion services came into effect on 31 March 2020.

It will happen in the rest of the UK in time. The sane, wider public has no appetite for Victorian / religious restrictions remaining. MPs would do well to remember this.

The legislation for buffer zones was only introduced last year after years and years of campaigning and isn't even as effective as it needs to be as it's been watered down enough to still allow people to approach women and "pray".

Does it concern you how many people in the first group you describe agree with some women's attacks on the LGBTQ community? Do you think that there is any danger is cosying up to and boosting right wing groups when arguing against trans rights and bodily autonomy? When women's bodily autonomy isn't even fully protected in law yet?

Typical Guardian hyperbole.

You do know that abortion isn't decriminalised right? And that the fight to decriminalise it, is not getting enough support from MPs?

Just stop with the women are lying. A very very small percentage of women make up accusations.

'LBGT' is a fake construct, for starters.

And the UK is not the US. Never will be. The UK will never 'take' US socio-political policies. Absolute barking mad rubbish to think so and even suggest it (hence Truss suggesting it ...)

Stop trying to apply American logic to the UK. The two countries are worlds apart.

TQ+ "rights" are the biggest threat to both LGB and women's rights in the UK.

Nutters lobbying in the UK will go nowhere. There would be riots if it did.

@Peachoolongtea not when it creates an environment that puts our sons at risk of untrue accusations and harms the opportunities of girls no. It's about what is best overall not best for everyone. We have a situation where companies are reluctant to employ woman because "flex appeal" a year off for a baby etc which is harming woman's progression.

Look at voting woman who vote for the candidate they think is best not the one backing woman's "rights" are seen as mysogenistic.

Actual abuse has been trivialised by #metoo what was flirting or drunk escapades is now used as an attack against men. How can serious sexual assault be taken seriously when people are being accused of all sorts for minor things. A lot of which isn't even true!

There have always been anti-abortion activists in the UK. That’s why there are exclusion zones around abortion clinics where you can’t protest.

Women are under attack from 2 fronts - from the right wing who use religion as an excuse to seek to control their bodies and from the people supporting self ID trans rights who expect women to open up their safe spaces to anyone who calls themselves a woman. The first side is not new. It’s always been there but it’s shouting louder than ever before, helped by Trump stacking the Supreme Court in the States. The second wave of attacks is newer. The difficulty is, we are expected to pick one of those 2 sides when most women don’t support either.

Oh, and my understanding is that lesbians are far more under attack from trans activists than anyone else.

Not sure I am following your post.
There are different types or waves of feminism and I am far from a feminist scholar but its not correct to say females are the same as males.

Women should be able to do the same jobs as men, and men should be able to do the same work as women....including SAH parenting.
But that requires some adaptations for women who are, on average, smaller and weaker than men. And who do suffer from different behavioural expectations in childhood, which affect our adult behaviours.

I agree women's sex based rights need protecting
LGB rights do to....although their are different barriers and different solutions

I disagree with gender stereotyping and strongly believe girls and boys should be able to wear any clothes and do any hobby or study any subject....but to allow girls & boys access we need to be really careful about what certain trans rights or our understanding of trans issues says about gender and reinforces gender stereotypes.

At the moment/recently the prevailing opinion seems to be biologically no difference between males & females....but we have "gendered" brains.
This is the opposite to what is true and just reinforces gender stereotypes and blocks access.
Eg. A male who wants to be a ballet dancer is not a girl, and will struggle to meet expectations of a female dancer. But there are different expectations on male dancers and that's OK.
A women who wants to drive a bus is not a man, and will struggle to drive a bus designed for someone of 6ft with long legs, big feet and superior upper body strength...but a vehicle designed for people of any body type is an adaptation that benefits women.

A bunch of nutters lobbying the Government doesn't mean that the Government will do their bidding. There would be uproar, if they did try to deny abortions in the UK.