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How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

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needatalk · 11/05/2024 10:38

I've been reading various discussions and articles on this topic for some time and the conclusion that keeps popping up in my mind is the worry that my female rights will be as much eroded as LGBT rights in law.

I've seen a push in America especially Florida from activists and lawmakers, combining female and LGBT rights in the same grouping. In the UK, politicians are taking American policies. They are calling for diversity and equality to be dismantled in law. It's like time is going backwards in just on LGBT rights but on female sex based rights. Where less rights will exist for us females in the future to do subjects such as STEM or be Astronaut because of the stereotyping happening from suppose feminists who's concepts are the old typical stay at home leave the male to do the dangerous or go to work mentally.

My daughter is 8 years old and and I worry for her, to not able to have the right to do express herself as bisexual or lesbian because of erosion of LGBT rights. We all know homosexuality a long time ago was illegal and that can happen again for all LGBT rights. I worry that my daughter who loves space won't able to follow Rosemary Coogan become an astronaut which is something she dreams of because in the future people will say the radiation of space is too dangerous for females as they will get deformities in that area to prevent them for having babies or healthy babies. Science has disprove this but people are dismissing science now.

As much as I care and support about sex based rights, I can't forget the thought in my mind that my and my daughter's female rights are in as much danger of being taken away not by activists but by lawmakers who enforce sex based past stereotyping and us females lose equality which has been hard to fight for in the first place.

I'm so worried for the future for us females.

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FOJN · 11/05/2024 15:32

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:02

As I said, multiple GC campaigners and posters on Mumsnet are supportive of trans people having limited bodily autonomy.

What does this mean?

Are you talking about children or adults?

SinnerBoy · 11/05/2024 15:31

Lampy123678 · Today 11:29

Does it concern you how many people in the first group you describe agree with some women's attacks on the LGBTQ community?

Goodness! What a load of emotive, utterly hyperbolic clap-trap! Nobody's getting cosy with the far right, or religious extremists. And the GC side isn't anti LGB, nor even anti trans, just pro keeping males out of female spaces and business.

Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers?

Do you applaud yourself for punching kittens? How and when has JKR supported abusers?

No, because you don't have your examples of them critiquing the right wing parties and their actions against LGBT people and women do you?

In this country, right wing parties in power only include the Tories. What actions are they carrying out against the LGB and the TQi+++ lot? It's dishonest to lump LGB people in with TQi+++

Do you mean acting on the Cass Report, to row back on handing out puberty blockers like Smarties? On all the law cases, where women have been bullied and harassed by colleagues, with the support of the employers and have won, establishing the fact that it's legal not to use opposite sex pronouns, if you don't want to?

Stopping males pushing women and girls out of sports? Not allowing transw rapists to choose to serve jail time in women's prisons? Finding that rape victims shouldn't be forced to share a crisis centre with a bloke called Sharon, or be illegally excluded?

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:29

FrippEnos · 11/05/2024 15:25

I take it that you have seen the footage of TRA's abusing and assaulting women?
I would also like to know what bodily autonomy rights trans people have that men and women don't?

Edited

Have you seen that several other posters have already tried to detract from the point of prominent GC feminists supporting abusers and/ or right wingers? I'm not sure why you think TRAs doing it makes it ok? I don't support anyone abusing women and I'm certain my principles can stand without the support of those who do. It's a shame many with a public platform don't think the same.

FrippEnos · 11/05/2024 15:25

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:13

I'm sorry do you not think Johnny Depp is an abuser of women? Do you think it's not abuse of women to hit your partner and joke about assaulting and burning her corpse? Seriously?! Jesus Christ....

Edited

I take it that you have seen the footage of TRA's abusing and assaulting women?
I would also like to know what bodily autonomy rights trans people have that men and women don't?

AutumnCrow · 11/05/2024 15:25

Goady sealioning springs to mind here. Please ignore.

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:24

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:21

I do t know what rights you are referring to. Just name them ...

That's a no then. OP is right, the future for women and girls is in trouble.

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:23

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:22

I'll jog on thanks. Have fun.

Those tweets though?

Thanks for proving my point, I appreciate that🤗

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:22

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:17

No it isn't you're just doing a tactic your right wing friends do which is dancing around addressing an issue with "sorry can you explain how that's racist". It's quite funny to be online and seeing a bunch of middle aged women using the tactics right wing teenage boys used to use 10 years ago and think "yeah gotcha" 😂 You keep quoting ME yet not answering my questions. Address my post or jog on.

I'll jog on thanks. Have fun.

Those tweets though?

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:21

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:20

Do you not know what bodily autonomy is?

I do t know what rights you are referring to. Just name them ...

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:20

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:19

Any of your word salad. What rights to bodily autonomy are you talking about

Do you not know what bodily autonomy is?

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:19

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:17

Which bit don't you understand ...?

Any of your word salad. What rights to bodily autonomy are you talking about

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:17

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:14

I have seen numerous posters on MN supportive of trans people not having the same right to bodily autonomy that we should all have.

What exactly are you talking about here?

Which bit don't you understand ...?

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:17

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:13

Examples?

Good god, this really is chess with a pigeon.

No it isn't you're just doing a tactic your right wing friends do which is dancing around addressing an issue with "sorry can you explain how that's racist". It's quite funny to be online and seeing a bunch of middle aged women using the tactics right wing teenage boys used to use 10 years ago and think "yeah gotcha" 😂 You keep quoting ME yet not answering my questions. Address my post or jog on.

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:14

I have seen numerous posters on MN supportive of trans people not having the same right to bodily autonomy that we should all have.

What exactly are you talking about here?

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:13

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:07

"Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers?"

She doesn't.

"How many anti trans tweets doe she have to write to make that okay?"

She doesn't so this is moot, but also she doesn't post ant-trans tweets.

"Do you not think she could use her financial clout to help women in other ways than using it to attack trans people?"

She does. In many, many impactful ways. In fact, she's famously not a billionaire any more due to literally putting her money where her mouth is.

The tweets?

I'm sorry do you not think Johnny Depp is an abuser of women? Do you think it's not abuse of women to hit your partner and joke about assaulting and burning her corpse? Seriously?! Jesus Christ....

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:13

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:11

Except they weren't though which is why you're avoiding answering then but you also couldn't help replying. Because you don't know how you justify supporting a women who supports men who abuse women just because she agrees with you on sex based rights. And you don't know how to justify to yourself that she allows anti abortion politicians to quote her without any objection. And that's just one of the "GC heroes" nevermind the rest that have publicly stated they accept the support of right wing groups and Nazis in this issue.
I'm not saying fighting for sex based rights is wrong, but if you can't look around and loudly and publicly object to being associated with people who want to ban abortion then don't say you're fighting to protect women and girls.

Examples?

Good god, this really is chess with a pigeon.

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:12

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/05/2024 15:09

I don’t think that photograph in the Guardian is in Britain. One of the placards is in Spanish, very unlikely , our extreme right wing activists all have Google Translate.

No, it's just a stock photo.

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2024 15:12

needatalk · 11/05/2024 11:09

I've read and listen to Miriam Cates, Kate Forbes and Liz Truss and some of the words they use in discussion are being taken from America politics. The UK is a strong minded country but rights can be slowly eroded.

What words are you talking about?

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:11

ditalini · 11/05/2024 13:02

All your points were nonsense though. Those tweets?

Except they weren't though which is why you're avoiding answering then but you also couldn't help replying. Because you don't know how you justify supporting a women who supports men who abuse women just because she agrees with you on sex based rights. And you don't know how to justify to yourself that she allows anti abortion politicians to quote her without any objection. And that's just one of the "GC heroes" nevermind the rest that have publicly stated they accept the support of right wing groups and Nazis in this issue.
I'm not saying fighting for sex based rights is wrong, but if you can't look around and loudly and publicly object to being associated with people who want to ban abortion then don't say you're fighting to protect women and girls.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/05/2024 15:09

I don’t think that photograph in the Guardian is in Britain. One of the placards is in Spanish, very unlikely , our extreme right wing activists all have Google Translate.

ditalini · 11/05/2024 15:07

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:03

Happy to post many examples when you can be bothered to actually answer any of my questions. Interesting that you haven't.

"Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers?"

She doesn't.

"How many anti trans tweets doe she have to write to make that okay?"

She doesn't so this is moot, but also she doesn't post ant-trans tweets.

"Do you not think she could use her financial clout to help women in other ways than using it to attack trans people?"

She does. In many, many impactful ways. In fact, she's famously not a billionaire any more due to literally putting her money where her mouth is.

The tweets?

AutumnCrow · 11/05/2024 15:04

I think that the right to frame this is that being pro-choice and supporting abortion access is a UNIFYING force for women.

My adult DD is pretty much into the gender woo, and I'm very much not. Nevertheless we both passionately AGREE that abortion rights are crucial for women and worth fighting for.

That's what you will find in the UK, and that unity of purpose is worth harnessing and focusing on, and telling our MPs about.

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:03

Nanny0gg · 11/05/2024 13:08

But can you post anything anti-trans she's said?

Happy to post many examples when you can be bothered to actually answer any of my questions. Interesting that you haven't.

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 15:02

FOJN · 11/05/2024 13:01

What rights do you think trans people are being denied?

I've heard this statement made many times and it's always by people who do not seem to understand what the debate is about.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under the EA 2010. You do not need to have a GRC or any medical intervention to be protected from discrimination by this law.

In contrast a trans person can apply for a GRC and be given a new birth certificate which aligns with their identity. Who else in society can legally obtain a fabricated birth certificate?

OP I think you are missing the main reason that the religious right is gaining traction, it's a backlash against accusations of bigotry against anyone who understands the material reality of biological sex, thinks single sex spaces are important and that children should not receive experimental medical treatment which has lifelong consequences.

The gaslighting and bullying by trans activists has done the recruiting for the religious right, which I agree may have long term consequences for women and anyone LGB.

As I said, multiple GC campaigners and posters on Mumsnet are supportive of trans people having limited bodily autonomy.

Lampy123678 · 11/05/2024 14:59

MollyButton · 11/05/2024 13:14

"Speaking of JKR do you applaud her for supporting abusers? How many anti trans tweets doe she have to write to make that okay? Do you not think she could use her financial clout to help women in other ways than using it to attack trans people?"
Well what about Lumos trying to keep "orphans" with their birth families/communities. Or funding a women's only refuge in Scotland.
I haven't seen her using money much to attack trans, just to defend her and others rights to free speech. And mainly that is by being brave, and having the financial ability to engage top lawyers.

So you do know she supports abusers of women. Thank you for confirming.