How the erosion of LGBT rights effects female sex based rights.

Do you think Miriam Cates is anti women's bodily autonomy?

I'd say being anti women's bodily autonomy is the antithesis of women's rights.

What rights? Trans people already have all the same rights as everyone else.

Using single sex spaces or competing in sports for members of the opposite sex is not a right anyone else has.

Well it's my view that men shouldn't call themselves women but you seem to be arguing that there is no problem with that.

Perhaps the anti choice activists identify as women's rights advocates.

So were should the line be drawn?
No-one says that trans people shouldn't be allowed to play sports. Yet many trans people say that this is the case because people say that they should play with those of the same sex (or mixed where available and consented to).
No-one says that trans people shouldn't be allowed medical treatment, just that they should be of a legal age and competent to make the choice given all of the relevant factors.
At what point should the rights of trans people be allowed to impinge on the sex based rights of others?

I'm saying that there are people arguing for that NOT to be the case though which they are. I think that endangers women and girls if we start pushing for the state to interfere with people's rights when we haven't protected women's particularly when it comes to healthcare.

I stopped at reading when you referred to us as females rather than women . I’m a woman. Thanks.

Yea because interestingly enough although I was thinking of Helen Joyce, posters already had others in their head that it applied to. So clearly not all GC people are ignorant to these campaigners links to right wing groups if they can think of examples by themselves.

So JK Rowling believed Johnny Depp was innocent and did not believe the woman who accused him of abuse despite the evidence provided. Is it just biological men she gives the benefit of the doubt to? She seems very concerned about women being abused by trans people. Do you think she would publicly support any trans person accused of abuse?

I'm arguing because you have said that Trans people are treated differently.
So far all you have done is post that they are not treated differently at all.
That medically they are held to the same restrictions as everyone else and that where a child is concerned they should also be held to the accountability.

I would hope that the women who do not agree with abortion would believe in the right of others to access it. If they don't, that's their choice but they shouldn't call themselves an advocate for women's rights.

What exactly is it that we can't do?

So what are you arguing for then if you agree that trans people are entitled to be treated the same as other people? 🥴 I also very clearly didn't support it, I said it's a discussion between a patient and their doctor to decide on the risks and benefits, not people's political opinions. There's lots of drugs that ideally should be stopped in pregnancy. There are cases where Doctors advise against stopping and will do additional monitoring. It's none of our business.

You can not strengthen women's rights if the category of women Includes men.

Some women do not agree with abortion, how do we decide which women have opinions that count?

"How dare you" oh my, did that sound authoritative in your head?

I haven't argued that it should be different.
But then I am not the one supporting taking testosterone whilst pregnant, which is know to cause development issues, which is why most transmen stop taking it during pregnancy.

Except the advance search function is pretty easy on here but thanks for agreeing that there are thousands of such posts! Its also form for people to address the relevant points in someone's post instead of lazily responding to ask for a link to a particular part while ignoring the rest.

@Lampy123678
Hang on a second. I never said that women fighting for sex based rights are wrong per se. I said they shouldn't be platforming people who are supported by right wing groups or parties or women who support abusive men to do it.

And you spent pages and pages making vague hints and insinuations at who you meant, what they'd done, and to what extent they were supported by the GC movement. Because if you'd come out on page 1 and said your big smoking gun against the GC movement was that some GC women vote tory, like a lot of people do, and that JK Rowling initially believed Jonny Depp was innocent, like a lot of people did, (and somehow extrapolated that to a generalised position of "supporting abusers") everyone would have just ignored your pointless nonsense.

But it doesn't show it's bad for them as you said does it? Formula also isn't as good as breast milk but is that the states business is a women formula feeds?
And testosterone isn't banned, is it? Or are you proposing it should be categorised the same as crystal meth?
Trans people should be given the best medical information available to them from their clinicians and make their own informed decisions for them and their families. The state should intervene at the same thresholds it does for non trans parents regarding the welfare of children. Do you think the threshold should be different?

Lampy123678 · Today 16:22

You could literally just search on the boards here like I did. I'm not your maid?

You've made a claim, the form here is that if you make a claim and are asked for a link, you provide a link. The respondent isn't expected to go trawling through thousands of posts.

That's not being a maid, it's providing evidence, to back up your claim.

So biological women who are adoptive parents shouldn't be allowed to breastfeed then? What about women who smoke? And what's your suggestion - should these children be taken into care? How do we stop it?

I am not, how dare you. I'm arguing for women's rights to be strengthened. I'm saying we shouldn't be courting antichoice politicians in the pursuit of women's rights. There's plenty on here taking issue with that for some reason.

Call me crazy, but I am 100% ok with the principle that bodily autonomy stops at the point you want to stick part of your body, or something it produces, into someone else's body.

Trans woman wants to take hormones to produce some sort of nipple secretion? Go for it.

Trans woman finds an adult who wants to consume said secretion? Again, go for it. Great to see two people with compatible needs find each other.

Trans woman wants to feed that secretion to a baby who cannot yet understand and consent to it? Not a default yes. For those who cannot consent, it's reasonable for the state to be involved to protect them. Like any new baby food, it needs to be safe for the child. Like any parenting activity, it must not be abusive of the child. Show those two things and sure, lets open up breastfeeding to men (in the original sex based meanng).

And let's be clear, if it's ok for trans women it is ok for all men. Because if it's only ok for trans women we would be making that decision based on the benefit to the feeder rather than the child, and that is never going to be ok.

You could literally just search on the boards here like I did. I'm not your maid?

We don't have evidence to compare testosterone crystal meth and the wider dangers involved. The fact you leapt to that says it all. I will say again that I think a patients healthcare should be between them and their doctor - deciding what is best for the patient while also considering medical advice. I don't think political opinions should be influencing medical advice.

Do you believe in women's total bodily autonomy or not?

You are literally arguing for the dismantling of women's rights.

You do not know enough about this issue to engage in a respectful debate.

And yet the science doesn't show that breastmilk produced by transwomen is as good as naturally produced breast milk.

Should we be taking away the children of biological women who smoke in pregnancy ?

We don't do we, so its a null point, but we do take children away from those that take substances that are illegal or from people that are known to behave in such away as to be detrimental to the welfare of their children.

Should trans people be exempt from this?

Another one who hasn't read my posts before posting. I have said that people should not be cosying up to right wing groups or parties while they are fighting for sex based rights. I think they should be loudly denouncing the groups attacking women's rights while they claim to be fighting for them regardless of if they agree with you on one issue.