U.K. Eurovision entry! A lot of pearl clutching

'Many women would prefer to think that gay men are all sweetness and light and it’s only a tiny minority who have done anything seedy, but, ahem, you would be hard pushed to find one who hasn’t'

Couldn't give a rat's ass who has done anything seedy, however there is a time and a place and his desperate 'performance' had no place on a singing contest.

As a pp said eurovision is very pro LGBT so to get zero points must surely tell Alexander his embarrassing crap was just that. Embarrassing crap.

Now, now.

Many women would prefer to think that gay men are all sweetness and light and it’s only a tiny minority who have done anything seedy, but, ahem, you would be hard pushed to find one who hasn’t. Men are not like women. They aren’t instinctively repulsed by dirty, seedy environments or anonymous sex and orgies like most women are. The reason why straight men aren’t having seedy orgies in dirty places is because women aren’t up for it.

So op made out there was loads of outrage around the singer and implied that a lot of it was because he was openly gay and how it was a sign the UK was going backwards.

Eurovision and its fans are known as being very pro lgbt+, but the song and performance didn’t do well. So what’s the reasoning it didn’t do well?

Are we going to pretend there’s a huge difference?

its a really damaging cliche that gay men seek out sex in these communal areas. The fact that it was a shower room makes it worse. Given the ‘jokes’ made about men raping and sexually assaulting other men in showers.

who is benefiting from playing into these damaging cliches?

Sorry, keep seeing this thread in trending and every time ...

God, I feel old.

It's a shower room (one needing a good scrub) it's not a urinal on the wall it's a towel, but upside down.
I'm not sure it's fair to call posters homophobic though for thinking a video that is designed to look seedy is, well, seedy though.

The fact that it was set in a filthy public toilet (or changing rooms) and the singer and his backing dancers were performing lewd moves simulating sex had nothing to do with nil points - right? Very disappointing - hope the powers that be learn from getting this so wrong.

People are entitled to find the performance offensive or not, depending on their value system.
I'm offended by the phrase - 'pearl clutching' - it's deliberately aimed at a certain demographic - and no I've never owned a string of pearls in my life, I just detest divisive and inflammatory expressions which seem to reflect lazy thinking or the desire to be contentious.

No, you were correct. It was a boxing style locker room. The other poster saw a toilet because that suits her gay / cottaging rhetoric

Unfortunately the whole performance was about his sexuality which undermined the performance & song. I just get fed up of having other peoples sexuality shoved in my face in the guise of a performance- and I say the same about heterosexual singers as well. Think of the backlash against miley cyrus & wrecking ball.

I love Oli but this was not his finrst.
Why would you self destruct your established career by risking Eurovision?

I’m not from the UK, but that was just really sleazy..not shocking, just bad. I can see why they got zero points.

Eurovision is full of LGBTQ performers and it is very popular amongst the gay community. So the lack of public votes for Ollie says it all!

What difference does it make if it eas a toilet or a locker room next to toilets. I'm sure sex orgies go on in both. Isnt that what the soho baths thing is all about. The point is, this is the exact place where my gay nephew was sexually assaulted when he was 17 and had just started university and it depicts a gay male cliche that lots of people think doesnt need to be sinulated on a family friendly show on a Saturday night. Im sure Olly Alexander has had a great time in that setup, just as some straight and bi people enjoy sex clubs and BDSM and dogging dungeons. Doesnt make it suitable for prime time TV. No one give a crap about the performers sexuality or the sex of the backing dancers. It's just a sleazy look.

The whole performance was supposed to depict a big, seedy gay orgy in a (visibly) dirty mens toilet...complete with urinals. How terribly modern and risqué.

That goes to show how unobservant I am. As I watched I was just wondering how they did it - the ceiling-wall-floor thing. I thought it was a boxing locker room theme because of the boxing gloves, jock straps, etc.

Yeah, didn't see any toilets?!
Just looked like a grotty room to me.
Loved the song though

It was a locker room, with showers, not a toilet. The video was sports based (I would say boxing) so hence the locker room

He simulated bumming in what was clearly meant to be a toilet.

Gross regardless of any sexuality

Was there? Sorry, I missed that- I was obviously distracted by something, can't imagine what 😂

Why would there be taps in a shower room, though? No one washes their hands after having a shower! Even the set designer didn't have a clue what was going on!

Is it not just the fact it was a rather weak song?
The dancers were good but the actual act a whole just wasn't very nice really. Not shocking really.
It wasn't fun just a bit grimy looking.
Being gay is not an issue, in fact the winner was rather camp, no idea about sexuality and don't actually care.
The winner had a better song, interesting act ( that moving disc took some work) bright and fun outfit.
Just accept it was actually a bit crap. But no it's not homophobic. Not giving a gay man points at Eurovision when quite clearly many other acts are also going for the LGBTQ+ vote and are just better is simply the way competition works.

Now the politics! That was interesting.

The tiles were black mucky. Local authorities need to do better - get their act together and do a deep clean of these toilet/ changing room facilities.

The was a shower head on the wall and some taps

There weren't any lockers or shower heads either, so how is that assumption any more valid than assuming it's a public toilet?

It's not homophobic to think that simulated sex of any kind isn't appropriate on what should be a family show and a celebration of European cultures and music. So many acts last night were bordering on porn simulation. I laughed at Finland because it was cheeky, funny and totally ridiculous.

The UK got a poor score because the song, performance and staging were shit and cheap. It was almost as if someone had sat down and said, ‘OK, we’re just going to go for the gay vote’ assuming that all gays were into bad songs and musclemen twerking. It was real lowest common denominator stuff.

He looked like a Poundland Sam Smith tribute act at drag night in the Rose and Crown. Totally outclassed. Eurovision is a bastion of camp and inclusion and has been embraced by the European gay community for very good reasons, so that’s not why he bombed. Replace last night’s effort with something like George Michael’s Outside using the kind of visuals from that video and it would have gone down an absolute storm.

The song and the performance, in this case, were just not good. And it’s not as though all the other countries hate the UK. We came second two years ago, and likely would have come first had Russia not invaded Ukraine, so we know we can do it, but really, I don’t think whoever’s in charge wants us to.