U.K. Eurovision entry! A lot of pearl clutching

I agree. It made me pleased I have not gone to see this in person.

Camp is fine. The song was awful though. Olly’s vocals were meh at best.
the simulated blow job with a mic was yack.
I turned EV on for a laugh, not expecting good. But bloody hell. It was ear piercingly awful. My ears were bleeding it was so bad.
surely we have better talent than this! Maybe not mind you. UK songwriting is not what it was.

Just note that the winning song was about someone accepting their non binary status (without shoving their gender in your face).

UK had the wrong song, completely failed to read the audience in terms of stage performance.

even if you felt the Irish entry was awful it scored its best Eurovision result in 25 years.

Hadn’t heard that one but it was good too. Will add to my Spotify list!

It was grim as evidenced by vote.

I like Olly but why on earth did it have to be in a dirty toilet setting? Nothing to do with homophobia, I wouldn't like it whoever did it. Plus it actually made me feel dizzy. He is capable of something so much better and it's a shame.

Oh just listened, of course I’ve heard it. 😂 It’s a great song!

@yellous my favourite is Shine. I personally don’t like King at all.

Not my favourite, but king is likely the most well known.

Probably King. I'd be surprised if you haven't heard it before.

I never watch the semis so last night was my first time seeing Olly's song. I didn't even register it as being particularly camp (within a Eurovision context) and certainly didn't see anything to pearl clutch about, but I just didn't think it was a very strong song all round. Germany was my least favourite by far and I would definitely say the UK was better than that. but I can't sing a note of it unless I've literally just heard it.

Ok you UK Ollie fans. I’ve never heard of him and after last night I can’t say that I really want to. But which is his best song then and I will listen to it?

@Threesacrow I agree, and I can’t help laughing when suddenly they start the performance lying because it worked for Loreen. And the long fingernails too.

I feel a bit sorry for Olly, I love Years and Years and I think he is a fabulously talented singer, dancer and actor, the Eurovision song and performance didn’t seem to quite connect for whatever reason. I hope he’ll be back better than ever.

The worst part of the show was the AI ABBA 'performance'.

I thought Conchita was brilliant and loved the song, voice, production. I'm even older than 66 and there have been some good performances in recent years (including Sam Ryder), but I was bored, bored, bored this year. Ollies song was mediocre. The best song won, but I think it's a misnomer to call it a song contest now. It's about producers trying to second guess based on last year (why did so many start singing from lying down? Because it worked last year), dance, gymnastics and trying to be more extreme than the others. Waste of s good evening this year.

A quick google will show you that Homophobic Hate crimes in the UK have been rising for quite some time. It isn't defined to one area of the country. It isn't a 'bad environment' that other posters live in. It is everywhere. It's your environment too. You may not want to see it it your little bubble. But it's happening and it is ignorant to deny it. There are Home Office hate crime figures. Not just made up be anecdotal evidence.

www.statista.com/statistics/623990/sexual-orientation-hate-crimes-in-england-and-wales/

I agree with you, I doubt every gay man watched the dirty toilet scene and thought this is great, really progressive.

I don't think homophobia is no longer an issue at all - fear of violence and assault is very real. I think attacks from the 'gender' movement have also impacted on gay people.

I have thought about this a lot today - questioning why I found the performance uncomfortable - I am not made uncomfortable by gay people - I spent a lot of time in gay clubs in the 90's/00's , so gay men dancing isn't the issue - I think for me, on a personal level it was the aggressive nature of the narrative - it seemed very unpleasant - the part where he 'acted' forcing the mic down someone's throat for example - as a SA survivor I think that was what I disliked about it and I would have felt the same way if it was heterosexual.

@velvetydogtoy I agree transactivists are often anti lesbian. But the valid concerns have led to a free for all on social media where people complain about Pride flags, gay people "flaunting" their sexuality, complaining about anything specifically aimed at lesbian and gay people. That has increased the homophobic view of - we don't care who you are we just don't want you to ever talk about it or show that you are gay or lesbian in public in any way at all.

So, I'm ignorant because I think the UK is a tolerant place and that most people are indifferent to others sexuality, identity etc

Fine, I'll take that.

As for saying I'm sorry you live in a bad environment as you said in your experience the UK isn't accepting....how else do you want me to phrase it? If you're surrounded by intolerance then it's hardly a good environment is it?

I always knew it would as soon as there were all the attacks on transgender people

What attacks would these be? There have been several of attacks on women from transwomen but I don't see much the other way around?

Also as I pointed out upthread, trans ideology is grossly homophobic. Telling lesbians to do dick used to be a revolting joke from vile male 70s comics - now it's all fine since its poor, oppressed transwomen (men again) saying it.

I am middle to late 60s and I am sorry to say the pearl clutching on other forums of people my age has been sad to see.

That is a very good point. Also, the increase in straight people identifying as 'queer' has done gay rights no favours at all IMO.

@BloodyHellKenAgain I stand by my comment and I don't care if you think it's rude. You are ignorant. And the comments about the 'bad environment' we live in? I understand completely what your intention was there. A snob as well. Yuck.