U.K. Eurovision entry! A lot of pearl clutching

The Eurovision song contest started to go downhill when there was no longer a requirement to sing in the native language.

It then became about shock value.

Do you mean Sam Ryder? Don’t think Sam Smith has done Eurovision

If Sam Ryder was competing today he’d win by an absolute mile.

Eurovision used to be good family fun.
Amongst the silly, jolly songs, you’d get the occasional ABBA, & Celine Dion, it was great.
But now it has become a bit too sexual, ( sleazy even ) for me.
Saw a performance on the semi final show the other night, can’t remember which country, but the woman singer had two semi naked men, they were dressed in what looked like little leather cut out swimming costumes dancing around her, just way too much imo.

I like Olly Alexander, haven’t seen his performance but the song is rubbish - he’ll come nowhere.

Eurovision used to be good family fun.
Amongst the silly, jolly songs, you’d get the occasional ABBA, & Celine Dion, it was great.
But now it has become a bit too sexual, ( sleazy even ) for me.
Saw a performance on the semi final show the other night, can’t remember which country, but the woman singer had two semi naked men, they were dressed in what looked like little leather cut out swimming costumes dancing around her, just way too much imo.

I like Olly Alexander, haven’t seen his performance but the song is rubbish - he’ll come nowhere.

Surely it’s just more representative of all sections of the population now than in the Bucks Fizz days? Gay men got prosecuted and put in prison back in the day. Isn’t a society where everyone can be themselves a bit nicer?

Have you arrived here from 2008 or something?

1. Eurovision hasn't always been camp, that's more of a this century thing.
2. Almost no-one gives a shit that Olly Alexander is gay or sings about being attracted to men.
3. The whole overtly sexual mainstream musical performances has been going on for decades. I saw it when I was a kid, I'm middle aged now. It's not daring or shocking anymore, it's extremely, extremely boring old hat.
4. His backing dancers looked to be extremely talented dancers and apart from a few brief moments where they shone, the choreography squandered their presence.
5. Alexander is himself a talented man, some of his Years and Years stuff are bangers. This Eurovision song is not one of them, it's dull. Instead of writing a banging song, he focused on a shit 'shocking' dance. (His co-writer also has some great stuff on his CV, Dizzy is not an example of his best work.)
6. Alexander sang poorly in his Eurovision performances, probably due to being focused on the very complicated, but shit looking dance routine.
7. Criticising the joyless, seedy depiction of a gay bathhouse isn't homophobia if the people criticising it would also criticise a joyless, seedy depiction of a heterosexual sex club.

Of course it is. When the literal most tolerant people who have ever existed in the whole history of humanity are constantly berated for their lack of tolerance, it's not surprising that a large cohort get sick of it and step backwards. Many people had to be convinced to let their guard down and accept people for who they were. It's not surprising that those guards are going back up when they are told it's not enough. And if something doesn't change very, very soon, it will almost certainly get worse.

I've studied the society of the 1920s and 30s and the current parallels are impossible to ignore. We could be about to go down a very dark path but threads like yours, that just accuse people who are a bit sick of being constantly prodded are part of the problem. Just like the equivalent was a century ago. You are keen to virtue signal even when it takes lying about the Eurovision and acting as if the 60s and the 80s are the same thing. It's gaslighting people and will only make them angrier and less tolerant. If you actually cared, you'd try to understand what is happening and help work out how to get back to where we were 15 years ago. Instead you just want to show how good you are and fuck the consequences.

I'm so ancient that I can remember people complaining about Tom Jones being indecently sexual when he first appeared on tv. I haven't watched Eurovision since the year Abba won in the 70s, but I've just watched the video on YT and I can't see anything wrong with it. Music videos have become much more sexualised over the last 30 years or so, and I really can't see what the fuss is about.

The song is mediocre at best though, and sounds really dated to me. Shame, because I like Olly Alexander as an actor and hoped for something a bit less ... well, ordinary, I suppose.

I don't think it's TRAs that have "promoted the growth in homophobia", I think it's transphobes and ignorant people who can't distinguish between someone being trans and someone being gay that have done that.

But then I'm not GC, and realise that this view is not a popular one on here!

“The fact that the OP insults people by calling them ‘pearl clutchers’ and their actions are ‘hysteria’ speaks more about her bigotry than theirs”

Yea, whatever 🙄