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U.K. Eurovision entry! A lot of pearl clutching

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Colourofspring · 11/05/2024 08:27

The outrage and comments I have seen about Olly Alexander’s performance is baffling to be honest. So much pearl clutching! Eurovision has always been completely camp and outrageous and yet suddenly he has been portrayed as some kind of disgrace and not representative of the UKs ‘values’ (what the fuck does that mean anyway?)

I like the song, I have seen him perform live at Glastonbury with years and years, he’s good live. Yes he’s openly gay - so what? Surely UK values should be based around tolerance and acceptance and not hysteria because his performance is considered risqué. Would it be considered the same if it was a load of half naked female dancers?

I am heterosexual but not offended by it - it’s just a performance - I hope he wins as he’s a nice guy!

So much pearl clutching!

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 11/05/2024 15:47

I think the song is a bit boring but maybe in the context of Eurovision it will seem better.

I think there’s a lot of silly pearl clutching about the song/ dance routine. But it doesn’t mean the song is any better

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 11/05/2024 15:47

It isn't camp so much, just overtly sexualised and not appropriate for children to watch anymore.

TeaXbiscuit · 11/05/2024 15:45

Because mums net is a cesspit of homophobia and transphobia

Luxell934 · 11/05/2024 15:45

crumbpet · 11/05/2024 15:39

Sorry his name is windowsman95? Like Windows95?

Yeah 🤣 go watch his performance

LookItsMeAgain · 11/05/2024 15:44

Sharptonguedwoman · 11/05/2024 08:30

I'm 66. It hasn't always been camp and outrageous, all of that is relatively new. I'm not clutching my pearls, I'm just completely bored by it all, starting with Conchita Whatisname. Won't be watching. Camp stopped being funny with Kenneth Williams. Just boring now. (Rylan, are you listening?)

I'm younger than you (not by much) but if you're bored by it, that's fine. Say that you're bored with it but the Eurovision has ALWAYS been camp, whether intentionally (as has been the case in more recent years) or unintentionally (either by the performers appearance or a silly dance routine or the name of the song even)

dandelionseverywhere · 11/05/2024 15:44

Sleaze is boring. More talent would be appreciated. Anyone can get their kit off and prance around like a sex starved goblin. Sick of tits 'n' dicks. Some decent music would be a nice change though.

crumbpet · 11/05/2024 15:42

I don't think I'd mind it so much I'd they'd cleaned the grouting

crumbpet · 11/05/2024 15:39

Luxell934 · 11/05/2024 15:09

I watched a-bit of the semi finals, windowsman95 literally gets his cock out and there were a few other questionable performances 🤣🤣🤣

Strange everyone’s not keen on a gay man using sex to sell but female pop stars seem to do it all the time and it’s fine.

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Sorry his name is windowsman95? Like Windows95?

crumbpet · 11/05/2024 15:38

Would it be considered the same if it was a load of half naked female dancers? yes I'd say it would in this day and age.

Please reconsider your use of "pearl clutching" and "hysteria" both so often used to dismiss women's feelings.

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HoHoHoliday · 11/05/2024 15:29

I've watched Eurovision for decades, I enjoy it less and less. It always used to be camp but happy family entertainment. These days a lot of it is unnecessarily sleazy overtly sexual. Perhaps that's because it how the music industry is these days.
I haven't seen any specific criticism of our entry so I'm not sure what that is, but my own view - it's become far too much about promoting causes and rights. So much this year about sexuality, gender fluidity, which yes, it's great to have a platform for acceptance. But most people just want to watch music performances and enjoy the meaningless fun, not have political messages forced into every performance.

Luxell934 · 11/05/2024 15:09

I watched a-bit of the semi finals, windowsman95 literally gets his cock out and there were a few other questionable performances 🤣🤣🤣

Strange everyone’s not keen on a gay man using sex to sell but female pop stars seem to do it all the time and it’s fine.

CrappySack · 11/05/2024 15:08

ThisNoisyTealLurker · 11/05/2024 12:55

I think a lot of this ‘it’s too seedy’, ‘it’s too camp’ ‘I don’t need to see this’ and the classic ‘think about the children!’ Is just homophobia. It’s theatre, Eurovision has always been colourful and a bit ott it’s part of the fun.

Definitely.

Did they all miss the female performer twerking in a thong in 2022? Plus the milkmaids from whatever year that was!

MoreSettingsAvailable · 11/05/2024 15:00

Colourofspring · 11/05/2024 08:53

@alittleprivacy my point is that the U.K. seems to be going backwards in terms of acceptance of everyone. It’s become a far moee more racist, inward looking, homophobic country than I remember growing up.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s and could not disagree more.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 11/05/2024 14:58

What has him being gay got to do with it - I don’t care what he is - the song is awful and he didn’t perform it well.

Whothefuckdoesthat · 11/05/2024 14:57

I’ve just watched it on YT for the first time. The very start and end notes reminded me of a Pet Shop Boys song (It’s a Sin, maybe?) but the song itself was like a Stock, Aitken & Waterman special that they’d give to one of their less successful acts.

I don’t have an issue with the act itself. I think it’s going for some shock value, which is a bit boring now, but there’s nothing that male heterosexual artists don’t do with female dancers. It’s only a shame that Terry Wogan isn’t around to give his opinion on it.

What I do have an issue with is a young woman being confined to her hotel for her own safety. I hope she doesn’t have an awful time of it. She’s a brave girl.

AliceKyteler · 11/05/2024 14:52

Tryingtokeepgoing · 11/05/2024 14:21

Well I’m only in my early 50s, and Bucks Fizz was definitely a camp performance. And that was obvious to me and my friends in the 80’s. Eurovision has been camp for at least 40 years, and probably longer!

In the late eighties drag queens at my local gay pub would regularly perform "Making your mind up" It's definitely camp, as were many artists/songs.
Eurovision always had a huge gay following even decades ago, having Eurovision parties at gay clubs etc.

BreatheAndFocus · 11/05/2024 14:52

It’s a crap song trying to be ‘edgy’ and failing desperately. Thinking it’s a shit song and a shit staging doesn’t make people homophobic 🙄 We’ve been discussing Eurovision all this week and the general consensus of my friends, both gay, bi and straight is that it’s embarrassing and cringeworthy.

BTW, ‘pearl clutching’ is a nasty, outdated misogynistic and ageist phrase.

worriedaboutthefuturenow · 11/05/2024 14:50

MumblesParty · 11/05/2024 14:48

I like Ollie Alexander, I think he’s a talented musician, and I absolutely loved “It’s A Sin”, best TV I’ve seen in years. His Eurovision song is nice enough, but the video is basically soft gay porn. I’m just a bit sick of it all really. Some people are gay. Big deal. Why do they have to be so OTT about it.

Modern Eurovision is crap. It’s basically all about who can shock the most. It’s only a matter of time before someone has live gay sex on stage and calls it art, and they’ll probably win!

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C8H10N4O2 · 11/05/2024 14:49

Colourofspring · 11/05/2024 09:18

Yea, the problem is tho that if Israel do win, they will, as a country, see it as support to continue their bombing of Rafah.

I agree re the bullying of the young girl tho- it’s shit and totally wrong.

Its totally wrong but your first reaction is to state its a problem if she wins?

I'm with @alittleprivacy - nothing new about camp, the overt sexualisation is more recent in Eurovision specifically which used to aim more for the children's tv slot.

Alexander's prodigious talent deserves better than recreating a stereotype of a 1980s bath house and many of the female dancers bump and grind routines look like dated rehashes of the 1980s routines. It all seems a bit tedious and passe and I do roll my eyes and note that they predominate the weaker songs - its worth listening to the songs in isolation.

Madonna was a star before she released Sex, she didn't make the mistake of thinking Sex and its associated routines would make her a star, especially without great songs.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/05/2024 14:49

The irony is that it’s the ‘pearl clutchers’ who are actually ( probably unwillingly) subsidising Eurovision, because they are the only sector of society who still pay the BBC license fee.

MumblesParty · 11/05/2024 14:48

I like Ollie Alexander, I think he’s a talented musician, and I absolutely loved “It’s A Sin”, best TV I’ve seen in years. His Eurovision song is nice enough, but the video is basically soft gay porn. I’m just a bit sick of it all really. Some people are gay. Big deal. Why do they have to be so OTT about it.

Modern Eurovision is crap. It’s basically all about who can shock the most. It’s only a matter of time before someone has live gay sex on stage and calls it art, and they’ll probably win!

worriedaboutthefuturenow · 11/05/2024 14:47

I’m sorry but was had simulating sex on stage got to do with the song or Eurovision. It’s just not needed and it’s a family show. I don’t care what sex he or annyone else is attracted to but the stage act is just not needed or warranted in my view. The song is ok but it’s not going to win Eurovision is now a political stage.

Barms155 · 11/05/2024 14:46

Eurovision has a lot more problems than this...this year. They have just disqualified the Netherlands act (one of the favs to win) and at the dress rehearsal 3 acts didn't perform....Ireland was one.....seems a bit of a mess.