To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

So you DO think it’s okay for someone to be racist And homophobic? As long as you get your free speech. Nice. In my world
I challenge bigotry.

I don’t think someone who hears your misogynistic language would know about your lack of hatred in your heart and just see your sheer bigotry and ignorance.

But you do you.

Why do we have to be anything? My adult DS is very sensitive and quick to share feelings and emotions. He's a professional artist and enjoys a quiet life in the country with his female partner.
He's so easy to talk to and be with. Fiery is not in his nature at all.

I agree with you OP! I see more and more girls are being encouraged and praised even for being “sassy” “strong minded” ”she can’t be told” etc….they think it’s all cute when they are little but they soon turn into bratty, rude and entitled teens/adults which is really not cute at all.

I think boys generally get a harder time at school.

I only have boys, so obviously I only hear one side. But there have been occasions when girls definitely got preferential treatment at school. For example, DS2 is 15, and in a recent French lesson they were learning about describing people. They were going round the class saying things like “Lily has blonde hair, Charlie has blue eyes, Freddie is tall” etc. One girl said “MumblesParty DS is fat”. The class and teacher laughed. DS isn’t fat but he’s a bit chunky. Enough to be sensitive about it. If he’d said “mean girl is fat” he’d have got into trouble without doubt.

There definitely seems to be a sense at school that girls being feisty is to be applauded, but boys need to be kept in check.

Of course once out in the real world it all changes, and women get a raw deal. So maybe school favouritism is designed to make up for the fact that for the rest of their lives they’ll be the ones who have a harder time.

You mean you want to have the right to say anything you want without challenge?

Is it okay to be homophobic? Racist? Fatphobic? Slag off disabled people? What?

Or is it only misogynistic language you want the right to speak?

Agreed!

If it's any consolation OP, bullies don't really get dealt with well regardless of the sexes of the perpetrator and/or victim. Keep a record of everything your son tells you has happened as soon as he tells you, keep on at the school and comfort yourself with the fact that once your son is 14-15 very few girls or women would feel comfortable instigating a physical confrontation with him.

"Women are not solely responsible for policing men's behaviour."

That's not what I meant. We are raising the next generation, including the men of tomorrow. Of course we need to take some responsibility.
Hopefully there's a decent father on the scene but if not, what then?
It's up to us who have boys to try to raise good men.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

This has got to be a joke right?

People talk about the need for girls to be raised to believe in themselves and speak their mind etc because it’s only been boys who are allowed those attributes for millennia. People are trying to even it up a little bit.

Boys still are allowed to be all those things, but people are just trying to soften the extreme distinction between what each sex is “allowed” to be.

I have a boy and a girl if that matters (Funnily enough they are quite similar in their likes and tastes, and people regard this as been a bit masculine in Dd, and a bit feminine in ds- when they are behaving the same!)

whiny spoiled princess
Drama queen
Stereotypical language is a first for me

Then educate yourself.

These are misogynistic stereotypes.

That you don't recognise this and are bringing up a child means you will continue to pass these outdated and sexist attitudes and prejudices onto your son.

And this in turn will influence his attitudes towards women throughout his life. He will think it's ok to speak about women in this way.

It's not to late to learn.

I'm assuming you’re being heavily ironic.

That’s your problem. Language is absolutely important. It reveals your attitude very clearly for everyone to see.

Not being misogynistic is woke now is it? Okkkkaaaayyy…

If you learn about consent it applies to both sexes. Girls learning about consent doesn’t mean they can’t be groomed by predators. The same applies for boys. I’m sure they’re not told that only girls can expect their boundaries to be respected.

Splitting them up makes sense because it can be uncomfortable for some to ask questions about sensitive topics in front of the opposite sex. Neither of my boys were bothered about that or thought it meant they were potential abusers that couldn’t stand up for themselves or have boundaries around girls.

No-one has said that the world is split between under confident and people-pleasing girls and overconfident boys. That’s just a straw man.

As a mother of both girls and boys this thread is so depressing…

One boy kicked by one girl and suddenly the op is willing to label all girls as unpleasantly chippy and ‘dramatic’.

Boys and men as a sex class cause endless misery on a daily basis to girls and women. Speak to them. Read the news.

Little boys shouldn’t be kicked by anybody. But don’t drag all females down because he’s your son and you’re upset about it.

‘In a society where our kids are being massively influenced by easily accessible porn and thinking this is what sex should be like, I'm 100% behind out boys having consent drilled into them.’

Everyone should understand about consent and everyone should be taught how to value themselves and about abusive relationships.

Splitting the sexes up and giving two different messages (as many schools do) is hugely negative for boys.

Females are also capable of abuse and ignoring consent, as seen by today’s trial of a teacher who is accused of having sex with not one but two boys in her charge, one 15 and one 16. Yes, it might be rarer, but they also need to understand the gaining of consent. The World does not split into underconfident and people-pleasing girls and aggressive and overconfident boys.

Oh my god! Whiny spoiled princess. Your language is so misogynistic and you can’t even see it.

Maybe you could have used gender neutral language, like behaving unreasonably or having a tantrum to get their own way. The problem with that is that both men and women do this which undermines your argument because you’re trying to turn it into a women-only problem.

I honestly don't understand what you're talking about.
I have a son and daughter. I'm proud that my daughter is more assertive than I was at her age. She knows her mind and is unapologetically ambitious. My son would call himself a feminist, he respects and values their opinions. He's certainly not repressed or hiding his emotions.
When my kids were young they used to compete at swimming. I still remember at a school gala when a girl beat one of his male friends in a race. The boy was flabbergasted that he had been beaten by a mere girl, whilst my son was not surprised at all, she was a fab swimmer.
That's progress in my eyes.

But as a mother of sons I. just want girls to know their place in the hierarchy as my precious boys are entitled to be top.

Fixed that for you OP.

The reason you’ve been labelled misogynistic is because it’s misogynistic language. For drama queen the male equivalent is bad boy or cheeky chappy who get their own way and do what they want but without the negative connotations.

There are certain terms that are only or almost always used about girls or women, like stroppy, slutty, feisty, bitchy, hysterical, headstrong etc and they’re almost always used to put women or girls back in their box.

It’s perfectly okay to call this out because quite frankly many women are just sick of it.

God knows where you’re from but what you’re describing isn’t familiar to me at all.

My sons both do what they want within reason but are also considerate to their partners.

If, as you claim, you want equality then start with that. Start with there should be more compromise in relationships. If you start with ‘poor men’ you’re bound to get backlash!!!!

In a society where our kids are being massively influenced by easily accessible porn and thinking this is what sex should be like, I'm 100% behind out boys having consent drilled into them.

This! How can anyone see this as an issue?? The mind boggles.

I also don't think this is a bad thing? Teenagers think everything is unfair.

Misandry