To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

And who started that?

Men. It’s an insult made by men to other men calling them a girl in a crude way through the belief that women are weak.

You mean the term that is based on slang for female genitalia, that is used to imply weakness?

@Voodoohoodoyoudo "I've never watched him, only found out recently who he was on here!"

Well, you're not really informed enough to pronounce on the current state of socialization of boys and young men then, are you?

You really are the Boy Mum cliché.

OP out of interest what are your (honest) thoughts of Andrew Tate and similar creatures ?

You only need to spend a week actively watching people. On the roads, in a pub, on a high street. It is usually not women who are boiling over with anger and aggression. OP your concerns should not be about boys being taught to be submissive. You're way off the mark.

I’m Mum to a ds and dd. I haven’t noticed girls being encouraged to be drama queens or boys to be submissive. I teach both my children to respect others, have empathy but also protect and respect themselves. Girls need to learn they are strong and can succeed in areas previously closed off to them. I work in a very male industry and have a team of mainly women to try and combat that. We often sit in meetings with only men present from the other company.

My son knows he can be anything. It’s highly publicised that men have gone to space, designed amazing clothes, become doctors and scientists, sold bonkers art and amazing art, explored the world, written books, studied people’s minds, discovered new animal species, farmed the land, hunted for food, developed technology, become chefs and run whole countries.

My daughter has a smattering of this available and, what is available is currently being clawed back out of history after going almost exclusively unmentioned. I want her to grow up and see women can do it, even in fields that are almost exclusively male. I want her to be able to meet her own dreams, not be ruled by what a man thinks she should or shouldn’t do. I want her to realise she has power over her own life.

My son knows he does. Comparatively, my daughter will still have to fight for it.

The context she has used words in says a lot about her intent and her overall attitude though, that’s the point!

@Sirzy ,

Twat and cunt are really ugly misogynistic words. Somehow, when they are used ignorantly by women, it makes them alright.

People love weaponising words to attack people, but they don’t like the same being done to them.

The OP has made some good points and you should look at her intent, not her words.

just quietly popping up to give some kudos to @TomeTome

Those words are used to describe Men and Women though. The words you use, and the contexts you use them in, is used solely to be derogatory towards Women. That’s why it’s different

@Voodoohoodoyoudo all those words are used to describe women regularly on MN.

Just recently women surgeons or perhaps residents complained about being groped in operating rooms by their male superiors. It was widely reported.
But in the mythical world that MRAs inhabit, men are the victims.

It's not biased nor narrow minded to acknowledge the reality of male privilege and your sons will have it throughout their lives.

Of course that doesn't make it OK to treat children differently, but ultimately, your sons are not at a disadvantage in life by virtue of their sex, whereas girls are and probably always will be on the back foot.

Money and class can insulate you against some aspects of sexism but it’s ludicrous to suggest that it levels the playing field in any real way. If it did it wouldn’t be remarkable to see all female board of directors or consultants or judges, or whatever would it? Engineering faculties are not full of posh white women are they? Wake up.

Girls are

drama queens
whiny spoiled princesses
vile
psychos

And you still don't think you are a misogynist?

@TomeTome ,

I believe in contextual offers where they actually are effective. For instance, if you genuinely are the first in your family to university, you go to a school which can’t teach you for Oxbridge and you can’t afford tutoring, then a contextual offer makes sense.

If you come from a disadvantaged ‘class’ but have every other privilege (private school, tutoring, encouragement since you were young) then I don’t really see how your lack of ‘privilege’ has not become a privilege.

Of course, this isn’t entirely black and white. When I went to Cambridge there was a 3:1 boy/girl ratio and trying to encourage girls in was sensible. But now the ratio is better than 1:1 in favour of girls, so do you know go on a micro level into individual subjects and, if you do, how long do you persevere for? And, at what point do you start giving boys contextual offers in subjects like medicine?

I think we need to look at actual evidence and research, not just rely on the language of class and privilege.

More random anecdata about the pyscho women OP keeps encountering.

That’s interesting @Newbutoldfather .

Would you like to explain how contextual offers are not to rebalance an unfair playing field but actually a “privilege”? Do you feel the same about all contextual offers or is it just female disadvantaged you are a bit blind to and need convincing of?

Ah we're adding 'vile' and 'psycho' to the list now - Is that you Andrew tate

@TomeTome ,

They are single quotation marks, as recommended by Harvard referencing:
‘Short quotationsShort quotations (fewer than 30 words) should:

• be incorporated into your sentence without disrupting the flow of your paragraph,
• have single quotation marks,
• have the full stop after the citation, and,
• keep the same font size.’